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08-11-2014, 09:16 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 5
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1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
Found a 1988 BB All American with the following (think OD is 212K):
1988 BLUEBIRD ALLAMERICAN - 13 ROW - 78 PASSENGERS
15 window bus - added leg room with just 13 rows of seats
ALL SORTS OF BELLY STORAGE ON BOTH SIDES
VERY RARE FIND - The bus that made Bluebird FAMOUS
A CLASS ACT!!
427 V8 GMC Industrial gasoline (carburetor)
Allison MT643 with locking torque converter
AIR BRAKES
68 MPH TOP SPEED
The quietest bus you will ever drive!
POWER TO SPARE
Drives like nothing else made today
Built on the Wanderlodge chassis
We (2 adults, 1 child, 1 med & 1 large dog) want to purchase a bus to live/travel/move from FL to the PNW. We feel we could do the inside (we want it clean and simple) but know nothing about the mechanicals.
Is this a solid bus configuration?
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08-11-2014, 05:57 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 158
Coachwork: -
Chassis: -
Engine: -
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
1988 .......427 GASOLINE ENGINE???
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08-11-2014, 11:05 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
Nice but for what you'd pay in gasoline costs you could buy....well, a lot of things. You'd spend more on gasoline on your trip out than what you paid for the bus.
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08-12-2014, 08:26 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,430
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
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The quietest bus you will ever drive!
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If it's a FE(front engine) it's generally known to have the most engine noise of the three major designs.Also harder to work on.
I have a BB RE (rear engine) and can just barely hear the engine.
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427 V8 GMC Industrial gasoline (carburetor)
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Good engine, if it's original it should be 4 bolt main. Very thirsty.
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Built on the Wanderlodge chassis
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Other way around.
May or may not be a good bus, if you really want a gas engine. At 200,000 miles that gas 427 may be getting a bit tired.
Unless it's free, for the same kind of money, you can find a later model diesel, Best bet would be one that just came out
of school service.
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08-12-2014, 09:13 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
As I said, we know nothing about the mechanicals....I've read a lot on here and other places and the ongoing debates of diesel vs gasoline, different engines and transmissions, etc. The site this bus is listed at I've heard good things about the owner and he is supposed to "know his stuff" but we still wanted opinions from others who also have a lot of knowledge about buses...hence my post.
Thanks for your input...it's very helpful!!
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08-12-2014, 11:07 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
my .001 cent...........a carb'd BB will get maybe 5 mpg pulling all that wt and air resistance
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08-12-2014, 10:27 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Danville, California
Posts: 345
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown
Chassis: Supercoach
Engine: DD6-71T
Rated Cap: 78
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
I would strongly recommend diesel over gasoline engines. A good heavy duty diesel should last a million miles or more with proper maintenance. At 200,000 miles, a gasoline engine is nearing the end of its useful life. Plus, you will get 50% of the fuel mileage compared to a good efficient diesel. For example, my 1988 Crown transit school bus has a Detroit 6-71 turbo diesel and got over 11 miles per gallon (almost 12) when I drove her from San Diego to the San Francisco Bay Area. There is no way a heavy vehicle running a gasoline engine could achieve that kind of fuel mileage.
I am sure others on this site will have other opinions. The beauty of this site and skoolie conversions is that you can do whatever works for you.
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08-13-2014, 09:19 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Galt, CA
Posts: 27
Year: 1998
Coachwork: El Dorado Escort FE
Chassis: Chevrolet P30
Engine: 454 Chevrolet
Rated Cap: 20
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
I would advocate diesel over gasoline. More power, torque and better fuel economy. I have a short bus with a 454 Chevrolet engine and I get less than 7 mpg. I would have loved to have diesel but I use my bus for commercial purposes and in California, diesels before 2006 that are commercial registered have to have a DPF (diesel particulate filter) at a cost of $10k-15k. RV's and motorhomes are exempt from this rule so I would recommend going with diesel.
Stephan Willner
Willie's Woodshop
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08-16-2014, 11:33 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Near Sacramento, CA
Posts: 39
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466 w/MT643
Rated Cap: 71
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
I would be on the diesel side of the aisle on this one. Our bus with dt466 and 6:14 gears got 8.4 mpg on a 371 mile trip. Almost 90 were on hwy 25, which is very very very windy and slow going (don't recommend in a bus). In comparison, I used to have an 87 Suburban with a 350 crate motor and a turbo 400 (not sure on gear ratio) and never got better than 12 mpg. No matter where we went it was at 65-70 in the burban. If you think about what a gallon of fuel did with each vehicle, the gasser doesn't even compare. At 5300 lbs empty, the Suburban would only move 440 lbs or so with a gallon of gas, whereas the bus at 17000 lbs or so, will move a little over 2000 lbs with a gallon of fuel. The best part is being able to fuel at truck stops with their 9 trillion gallons p/minute fuel pumps. You can pump 40 gallons of diesel at a truck stop much faster than you can fill 40 gallons of regular gas at any gas station.
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08-21-2014, 07:20 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
You will only get 5 mpg with the engine off.
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08-21-2014, 07:22 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
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Found a 1988 BB All American with the following (think OD is 212K):
1988 BLUEBIRD ALLAMERICAN - 13 ROW - 78 PASSENGERS
15 window bus - added leg room with just 13 rows of seats
ALL SORTS OF BELLY STORAGE ON BOTH SIDES
VERY RARE FIND - The bus that made Bluebird FAMOUS
A CLASS ACT!!
427 V8 GMC Industrial gasoline (carburetor)
Allison MT643 with locking torque converter
AIR BRAKES
68 MPH TOP SPEED
The quietest bus you will ever drive!
POWER TO SPARE
Drives like nothing else made today
Built on the Wanderlodge chassis
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Did you write this or the seller? It sounds like used car sales speak.
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08-21-2014, 08:17 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Roswell, NM
Posts: 3,588
Year: 1986
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: 40 ft All American FE
Engine: 8.2LTA Fuel Pincher DD V8
Rated Cap: 89
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
We have a diesel engine in our bus.
The bus our daughter will end up with, will have a diesel.
Mileage wise... when a gas engine is worn out, a diesel is just getting broke in. You can pretty much figure that any of these used skoolies will be high mileage engines.
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08-27-2014, 08:59 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
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Originally Posted by crazycal
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Found a 1988 BB All American with the following (think OD is 212K):
1988 BLUEBIRD ALLAMERICAN - 13 ROW - 78 PASSENGERS
15 window bus - added leg room with just 13 rows of seats
ALL SORTS OF BELLY STORAGE ON BOTH SIDES
VERY RARE FIND - The bus that made Bluebird FAMOUS
A CLASS ACT!!
427 V8 GMC Industrial gasoline (carburetor)
Allison MT643 with locking torque converter
AIR BRAKES
68 MPH TOP SPEED
The quietest bus you will ever drive!
POWER TO SPARE
Drives like nothing else made today
Built on the Wanderlodge chassis
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Did you write this or the seller? It sounds like used car sales speak.
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Copied from the seller's ad.
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08-27-2014, 08:59 AM
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#14
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New Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 5
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Re: 1988 Bluebird All American....your input please
Thanks again for all your replies. We're going to pass on this bus.
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