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Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Tue May 04, 2010 9:12 pm

Ive lived in a lot of vehicles. I was raised in a '57 Ford school bus, so its always felt like home when I see a bus people live in.
Ive had vans and trailers, and Ive even lived in houses a while, but Ive never had a bus of my own. Until now. Im not sure how this will turn out, but I bought a bus on Ebay today. I pick it up this weekend, 700 miles away.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 500wt_1000

I can't stop asking myself "Oh man, what have I done?" I guess Im going to find out, and share it with you. :)
I pick it up this weekend. Ill let you know how it goes (with pics of course).

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby jkindt » Tue May 04, 2010 9:21 pm

Welcome! I hope you enjou your new bus. Are you planning on living in fulltime, or just week-at-a-time? 8)
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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby GoBucks614 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:34 am

Welcome! It should be helpful to you already living in a bus before. You should have a good idea of what you want!
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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Wed May 05, 2010 4:25 am

jkindt wrote:Welcome! I hope you enjou your new bus. Are you planning on living in fulltime, or just week-at-a-time? 8)

Fulltime is the eventual plan. I think Ill need to do some remodeling first though...
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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Wed May 05, 2010 10:32 am

This is the general floorplan I have been considering in my head.

The back area will all be on platform at wheel well height, with the bed on platform even higher, so sitting on the bed allows you to work at the counter, and lots of storage underneath, mostly accessible from the back door.

I might shorten the bench a bit to make room for a bathroom, and maybe some sort of removable/foldable table/counter in the center.

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby Stopbit » Wed May 05, 2010 2:58 pm

I really like that floor plan...might have borrow that for my bus if you don't mind.
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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Wed May 05, 2010 3:36 pm

Stopbit wrote:I really like that floor plan...might have borrow that for my bus if you don't mind.


Enjoy! The bed is a standard double mattress size, and that counter next to it is for sewing, but could be used for anything really. I tried to scale the kitchen stuff to what RV appliances sizes seem to be.

We shall see how it actually all fits when I get the bus. :)

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby Smitty » Wed May 05, 2010 3:51 pm

Ditto on the welcome Lily! Looks like a nice bus, and the PO spent some money on it that you won't have to right-off the bat, and even has some goodies inside already. What you won't use/need can always be sold.

I'd try to work-in as much storage (including overhead) as possible. Food, clothes, gear.....it won't go to waste.

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Wed May 05, 2010 4:07 pm

Smitty wrote:Ditto on the welcome Lily! Looks like a nice bus, and the PO spent some money on it that you won't have to right-off the bat, and even has some goodies inside already. What you won't use/need can always be sold.

I'd try to work-in as much storage (including overhead) as possible. Food, clothes, gear.....it won't go to waste.

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Thanks Smitty!(and everyone else for the welcome :) )

The price was right for a newer diesel bus in road-ready shape regardless, even if its three states away. The work (and goodies!) already put into it just made it better. One of the selling points for me was that its already set up to tow. I have a Toyota T100 4x4 that Ive put a lot of miles on, and I want to take it with me.

Under the bed and bench gives me lots of storage (Im used to living in small spaces), but I certainly want to put in overhead cabinets all the way around too. The way I am planning to lay it out should keep me from hitting my head on it, mostly. Then someday, safari rack and outside boxes...

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby lily » Mon May 10, 2010 7:08 pm

Made it home from Birmingham Alabama to Dallas Texas in one piece. Governor is set at 57mph (@ 2700rpm on flat ground), it gets a solid 10mpg and has a 20something gallon tank (so, 200ish miles). Rides awful because its mostly empty, of course, but its exactly as advertised; running gear is all great (no leaks at all, tires are good, everything that should work does). Windows are all tinted, and it has built in front and rear AC that needs a compressor, as it apparently started life in Pensacola Florida. Ive already started taking the junk out of it and firming up floor plan ideas.

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby Smitty » Mon May 10, 2010 7:36 pm

It'll be much easier to confirm your floor plans (or change/modify/adapt them) now that you have something to actually stand-in & measure. Even if you have a "plan", keep an open mind, because there's generally always room for improvement (and Jell-O :D ).

Glad the return trip went well, nice looking bus, should make a nice skoolie for you.

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby jkindt » Mon May 10, 2010 8:01 pm

It is sooooo true about changing floorplans. I like to call them 'fluid plans', always able to change a little...or a lot. Heck, even paintjobs are something that can always change. I look back at my project thread and just shake my head at some of the first paint job ideas I had. It helps to have the bus to actually sit in, measure, and imagine. The best thing I can think of once the seats are all out is to mask off areas on the floor where everything is going to go. Then you can see first hand what fits and what doesn't. It is easier to move a piece of tape than it is to rebuilt a cabinet or move a shower drain. 8)

BTW - Nice Bus! That is going to be a great conversion!!! 8)
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Floor Plans and starting stuff

Postby lily » Wed May 12, 2010 7:30 pm

I am all about the easy. I try very hard to avoid ghetto and dangerous, but I am all about the easy. This wont be some showcase conversion, it is just for me to kick around in for a while. If I am still in love with it all in a couple years, I might get another bus and spend more time making it a dreamliner, but right now I am a poor hippy with just a little time to get things situated.

After a bunch of measuring and thinking, I am going to keep it simple, and go with a classic floor plan.

As it turns out, the rectangle space between the back of the bus and the wheel wells is just the right width for a double mattress, and the width of the bus of course matches the length of a mattress. The resulting neat square of space under it is much easier to think about for storage.

From the farthest back the driver seat will go to one window space in front of the bed is a neat six feet, a very convenient counter length. Under the left end is the wheel well, a perfect platform for a fridge. That leaves about four feet of counter to install a cooktop and a sink. The coach batteries are in a box under this side, but routing a drain past it should be easy, and there is a little room next to it for a small grey tank later. The remaining one window space over the wheel well between the bed and the counter is going to be a closet.

The largest underbus space is in the back on the drivers side, and this is where I would like to put a propane tank eventually, but for now I can strap a standard tank in that space under the bed (is this a terrible idea?), and the plumbing wont have to change much later. I also want to put the freshwater tank under the bed when I get one.

I am keeping the groovy metal frame futon that came with the bus as seating on the passenger side for now. It seems pretty versatile, really. The space over the passenger side wheel well has not found its use yet.

So, about the floor. I am going to be easy and not tear up the rubber, but I need something to seal the seat bolt holes. Suggestions? Really, for my intended usage I think this rubber floor will have its advantages, so I am ok with it, I just need to plug the leaks.

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The limited bits of wiring that previous people had done were so poor I tore them out before they caused a fire. The inverter was wired to the coach batteries with some giant gauge wire threaded through the dash and firewall, bare wire under the battery post on one end, and taped to a clamp on the other.
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Speaking of insurance, I have had State Farm for my truck for long enough they finally put me on the national carrier instead of the regional (however that works), so I called my agent and told him I bought a short bus, but it was an RV (it says RV on the old title). He spoke with his underwriter, who told him it had to have a bed, a stove, a fridge and plumbing to be an RV. I said it had all of those (it will, anyway) and he said ok, it'll be $209 for six months. I ran down and gave him money today, so we'll see if the policy actually arrives. He wrote it for more than the minimums because I was getting such a good rate, which I though was good of him, because it is still very affordable.

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Floor Plans and starting stuff

Postby lily » Thu May 13, 2010 8:03 pm

Simple is good.

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Re: Leap of Faith

Postby DarrenDriven » Thu May 13, 2010 8:28 pm

Does that futon fold out or is it just a couch? The layout looks pretty clean to me.
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