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10-13-2013, 10:15 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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RPM's on a Cummings
Hello all, Got a question I just bought a 1988 Crown Pusher with a Cummings motor & Allison 4 speed auto, now it's been 30 yrs since driving Tractor trailers but my RPM's at 55 were 4000 rpm took it up to 67mph a couple times & it was 4500rpm, is this normal & also are used supposed to manual shift the Alison automatic ? I know it sounds silly but theres a placard telling what maximum speeds to downshift at.
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10-13-2013, 12:12 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Twin Falls, Idaho
Posts: 809
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Cummings engine speed
The top engine speed on most diesel engine is 2250RPM. The engine fuel pump sets this speed. My Crown is a 1968 with a Cummins. You now have a great bus. Check to notice if tach is cable or electric. Some times the dash unit goes wild. ost diesel tachs have a 3500 max number on the tach. Gas cars have tachs top rpm at 6000- 8500 rpm. Maybe someone changed the tach.
Call me and we can talk. Frank in Idaho 208 423 5969 frank.id.crownatgmail.com
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10-13-2013, 03:51 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Central MN
Posts: 143
Year: 1977
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: C/60
Engine: 350 V8
Rated Cap: 54
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
I know it's farm machinary but we have a 2144 Case combine with a 5.9l cummins (same as the cummins you all know in the Dodge Pickups) and it runs at a jolly 2850 when wide open. This is on the electronic display in the cab but we aslo installed a mech tac back by the engine itself and it reads near 2900 when it's wide open.
There's no way that engine is spinning at 4500 rpm's, it would run away long before that ....
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10-13-2013, 04:44 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Thats what I figured it just been so many yrs since I delt with a Diesel I wasn't sure if things had changed think I'll get an extra tack & hook it up at the motor because evan at Idle it show 1600 rpm
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10-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 832
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: 3126
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
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Originally Posted by allwthrrider
Thats what I figured it just been so many yrs since I delt with a Diesel I wasn't sure if things had changed think I'll get an extra tack & hook it up at the motor because evan at Idle it show 1600 rpm
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I guess when you put it in gear, your bus pops a wheelie, cool.
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10-14-2013, 02:41 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
look at back of the tach, maybe it is an adjustable one and is on the wrong setting?
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10-16-2013, 02:18 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Redline on that thing is at least 5800 RPMs...NOT! Better slow down those RPMs.
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10-18-2013, 07:01 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
They sell after market tachometers for the cummins engines. I will look up the link if your interested.
Nat
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10-20-2013, 01:02 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Quote:
Originally Posted by nat_ster
They sell after market tachometers for the cummins engines. I will look up the link if your interested.
Nat
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Yes please thank you I've been looking thru summit & Jegs
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10-20-2013, 09:22 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Here is one. This one takes pulses from the injector lines.
http://tinytach.com/
Some use the sensor in the bell housing
Some use pulses from the alternator, but they need to be calibrated.
This one installs at the front of the engine, reading the revaluations off the magnets you epoxy to the dampener. It is a issopro.
http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com//p-7 ... Qgod928AmA
That's the sensor. With that you can use any Issopro tach.
And a nice right up on installing it on a first gen dodge truck.
http://www.dieselbombers.com/dodge-dies ... mount.html
Nat
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10-21-2013, 07:55 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Thanks Nat I'll take a look, mine runs off the alternator
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11-12-2013, 11:23 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Finally found time to open up the dash theres a black screw on the tach that when I turned it was able to bring the rpms at idle showing 900rpm and when holding the pedal down 3500 rpm, does anyone know what the idle rpm should read I'm thinking around 500rpm's but going to start researching
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11-20-2013, 12:57 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NE Oregon, SW Idaho
Posts: 98
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: IH
Engine: 466
Rated Cap: 64
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
The 5.9L and the 6.7L Cummins in the Dodge pickups like to idle at about 600RPM and hit the redline at about 2800 rpm.
Which Cummins do you have in the bus? I have the 855 CID 250 hp Cummins in two of my x-military trucks, and they do not want to go over about 2200 RPM max at factory redline or you better bring a big box to put the parts in!
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12-04-2013, 10:12 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Quote:
Originally Posted by dburt
The 5.9L and the 6.7L Cummins in the Dodge pickups like to idle at about 600RPM and hit the redline at about 2800 rpm.
Which Cummins do you have in the bus? I have the 855 CID 250 hp Cummins in two of my x-military trucks, and they do not want to go over about 2200 RPM max at factory redline or you better bring a big box to put the parts in!
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I have the Cummins 6CTA8.3 250hp, at least thats what the build sheet says, I was giving everything the school was giving when they bought the bus including blueprints, this thing even has a binder that list every single part & who manufactured it that went into the bus
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12-04-2013, 01:48 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 147
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TE2000 FE
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
if you get the engine serial number I can get that infomation for you.
Chuck
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12-13-2013, 12:16 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Re: RPM's on a Cummings
Quote:
Originally Posted by cschlessman
if you get the engine serial number I can get that infomation for you.
Chuck
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Thanks, I have a line on a couple of 1988 Crowns that are going to be crushed in a few weeks, their close by so it sounds like I can get a Tach & altenator pickup off them & try that first, I'll let you know, Stuart
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