The Millicent Chronicles; two foot roof raise, big tailgate

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Postby Elliot Naess » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:01 pm

Thanks Paul, I'll take a look at those sources.

Sometimes I'm amazed that I am alive, considering how much I have slept in idling
semis -- surrounded by 100 more idling semis. I suppose it is the tall stack that
saves us. You watch, as generators become more common in semis, to comply
with anti-idling laws, we'll start losing people.
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Postby the_experience03 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:31 pm

I don't disagree, Elliott. Do you see any practical reason why the generator exhuast couldn't be tied into the stack? That might help the problem. I noticed the anti idling laws during our August trip at places like Mt. Rushmore and Devil's Tower. I didn't feel too guilty about letting the turbo cool for 5-10 minutes while we sorted our stuff out, but I was always waiting for the idling cop to come tap on the door with his nightstick.
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Postby paul iossi » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:31 pm

Unfortunately you're right about the gennypacks becoming a problem with lethal CO buildup at ground level, another case of bigbrother not thinking through a situation completely before they act where they don't really belong. Anyhow if the truck owners will invest in installing tall verticle pipes on the gennies, tucked in next to the main stacks the CO should discharge and disipate above us mortal humans.

This brings up the issue of the standard practice of installing generators with ground level exhaust, probably wouldn't be too dificult to improvise an add on highmount exhaust extension for use while parked. A couple of brackets and a pipe with a heatshield around it to protect from burns and "Marmon" flanges&clamp to ease installation. Hey that may be a marketable accessory for those of us tha are safety conscious.
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Postby the_experience03 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:34 pm

Mmmm.....enclosed trailer and an alcohol snorting late model....yummy.
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Postby paul iossi » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:41 pm

Last week while walking past the participants motorhome lot at Daytona, I noticed that most of the high end coaches have a deflector across the top back to direct air down the back to breakup the vacuum and keep the rear panel clean, this would also help to keep exhaust fumes away from the back of the bus.
I also noticed that the awnings were mounted on top, instead of on the sides of these coaches.
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Postby Elliot Naess » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:43 pm

Good progress today. Built the frame for the rear ramp/door, and the basic
structure for the ramp also. We can fold it up and down now!

This is being done after the tried and true engineering concept called “winging it”.

Most of it is built with 1” square steel tubing, since I have lots of it sitting here
rusting and I’m in the habit of using it wherever I can.

The first 1” uprights were tacked in place and moved a few times until I had a
good door opening. Then I added two more on each side -- you’ll see why in a
few days. There is also a piece across the top.
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In the bottom left corner of the second photo, you see the beginning of the ramp
being welded to the hinge. There are two pices of 1" on each side, forming a
very shallow truss.
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And pretty soon we have an outline of the ramp.
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Finally, the angle grinder cut the appropriate hole in the rear cap. The idea is to
have the roof overhanging the door a tiny bit -- just enough to keep the rain on
the outside.
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More tomorrow. :D
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Postby Elliot Naess » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:11 pm

Picking up where we ran out of daylight yesterday:
Remember that big slab of aluminum that looks kind’a “air cargo”-like -- the one I
rescued from the scrap heap at work? I’m pretty sure it is an air freight skid, yes.
Make that, it WAS an air freight skid. After quite a bit of cutting, drilling, riveting
etc today, it is NOW Millicent’s new door/ramp:
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I’ve sure been looking forward to seeing that thing in place! :D
I can actually raise and lower it by myself (with considerable effort), but I intend to
put springs on it.
Now I can figure out the rear corners of the body and get on with the skinning.
Back in a week or so.
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Postby the_experience03 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:33 am

That thing is HUGE! :shock: Looks good though. Winging it is my favorite way to do things too, but it never seems to work out quite as well for me as it did for you. You even have a great canvas for some sort of Kontraption mural now.

What's the plan for the lights? Are you just going to run a small umbilical cord into the door from the inside and then put them on it or what? It doesn't look like you have enough room to put them anywhere but on the door.

What I REALLY love is the hat, boots, and beard. You just seem to fit the part of kinetic sculpture builder and crazy bus building neighbor. :lol:
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Postby Elliot Naess » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:00 am

hat, boots, and beard


:?: :?: :?:

Oh. Oh, no. Now we're ALL mixed up. :lol: That's Peter, my Kinetic
Racing Partner-In-Crime. I thought I introduced him earlier.


THIS is me. No boots.
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And certainly no Nutty Neighbor element to me, no sir! :twisted:

The idea is to sneak tail lights onto the remaining bodywork
-- the narrow oval kind, turned vertical.

I gotta get to work! :arrow:
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Postby captainkf » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:16 pm

It's looking great! I am always filled with excitment and anticipation to see your updates. Lately my wife and I are discussing how we will definately be raising the roof on our next bus. The best part is she is okay with the idea of a next bus :D . Not that I don't like this one.

Anyways... keep it up!

-Richard
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Postby pete c » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:03 pm

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I'm not sure, but, I do believe that crazy old coot is flipping us the bird!!!

Hey elliot, are you maxxed out on elevation yet with this beast, because it seems to me that a kinetic art komand post just isn't complete without a big set of tail fins. Of course a scale replica of '59 caddy tail fins would probably have to be about 50 ft high.
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Postby the_experience03 » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:05 pm

Not a bad idea and it would give him a place to mount some more tail lights :wink: How about running the exhaust up and out the tailfins too with the star wheel turned up for more black smoke off idle?
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Postby Elliot Naess » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:26 pm

Hmmm... I go out of town for just a few days, and the insults pour in! :lol:

Well yes, I suppose both Peter and I have been cultivating a Crazy Old Coot image!
However, it seems to work rather poorly with Sane Young Ladies, so a change of
strategy may be in order.

As for tailfins on Millicent... Would you settle for a Peterbilt grille and some swoopy
fenders painted on? I’ve had this crude illustration on my kitchen wall for some time now.
Oh yes, we have no shortage of fun ideas!
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But I’ll pass on the black smoke. I don’t want to be THAT young again!
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Postby Elliot Naess » Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:25 pm

:D
It’s a Millicent Weekend! And I have to show some progress before lunch.

But first... It’s Confession Time. I want to Do The Right Thing and own up to my Responsibility.
I’m the father of Anna Nicole’s baby. There. That sure was a load off my ches....



Fiddled away the morning and finally got around to trimming the rear top cap and cutting
holes for recessed lights. Even a Third Brake Light, in case I can fool some Sweet Young
Thing into believing that this is a new Prevost instead of a 1992 school bus.

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Now the corners below the cap. After Lunch.
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Postby Elliot Naess » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:18 pm

:D
When I made the doorway for the tailgate, I built it “in mid air”. That is, I just
barely attached it to the bus, concentrating on making it fit the tailgate. I even
moved it a couple of times by cutting the tack welds and "leaning on it" a bit.

Everything fits now, so it is time to attach the doorway properly to the bus. For
this I picked up a bunch of steel plate remnants of 6" x 24". I don’t have a number
on the thickness, but they are thick enough that I don’t burn thru them so easily.
And they are stiff and strong without triangulation.
I’m welding these into place so that they bridge the gap between the doorway
and existing structures.
And also between the doorway and the new corners.
Oh yes, the new corners. I’m still working on that, but you may be able to see the
new 1” square tubing that the skin will be attached to.

In this photo, you see one of those steel plates on the floor in the foreground. I
just clamp them into place and weld. Any excess that gets in the way can be cut
off later. Here you also see that I have begun welding in the plate that fills the
wedge shaped gap that resulted when I beavertailed the floor. Yes, “beavertail”
can be a verb. :wink: It’s not a triangular filler panel; it’s rectangular -- the rest is
underneath, where it will eat very little. We’re not building an airplane here. :P
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This is the left side, head on. You can see that the doorway is built up from three
pieces of 1” tubing, and the opening is a couple inches narrower than where I cut
the body. I plan to put this gap to good use -- stay tuned to this station. On the
left, the new skin is just slightly curled towards its final position.
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I know these photos are not very good, but here is the right side from a bit more
of an angle, and closer. You may be able to make out the new 1” square tube
corner framing here. Or not -- it's directly below the red marker light. I'll get better
shots later.
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Man, I’m sure looking forward to wrapping that skin around the corners so we
can see just how ugly that turns out!
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