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08-26-2014, 01:22 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Hello All, I am new. My search continues for a suitable candidate for the transformation. So far I like everything I've read about the DT466, and I would really like to find one of these engines installed in a rear engine compartment. I'm thinking either 66 or 72. I'm building it for me and the Mrs and perhaps a couple of guest travelers so I'm not sure if 72 is really necessary, your thoughts please? Thanks everyone for all of the good thoughts and info here.
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08-26-2014, 02:46 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Welcome
I would get the longest bus you can, ours is 35ft and I really would like the extra 5ft....next time I guess
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08-26-2014, 03:52 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
I don't think you will find too much shorter than 35 foot in a pusher.
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08-26-2014, 05:36 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Gee...not sure I have ever seen a DT in the back.
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08-26-2014, 07:52 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Apparently they're out there but I really don't want to go to Indiana for it, I'm in CT.
http://www.kerlinbus.com/used-buses/200 ... pass-13200
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08-26-2014, 08:01 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
First Student has them. They have a lot of Internationals.
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08-26-2014, 08:50 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Well I'll be.....
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08-26-2014, 09:39 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
They are not as pretty as a Blue Bird.
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08-27-2014, 09:01 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Darn First Student won't let me look till after school starts
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08-27-2014, 07:23 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Have an appointment on the 8th to look at a couple of 71 passenger Intl/Amtran, T444E engine, 2000 transmission, air brake buses. I really like the rear engine style bus so I'll concede on the DT466 if you kind folks endorse this model?
Thank you for your thoughts.
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08-27-2014, 07:53 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
I'd find a DT over the 444.
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08-27-2014, 07:57 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 92
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC/2000
Engine: Cummins 6CT8.3
Rated Cap: 76
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Are you against the 8.3 Cummins for any particular reason?
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08-27-2014, 08:40 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
all you folks talking these "big" engines......can.............f....orget me being involved
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08-28-2014, 10:58 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
This is what got my attention about the DT466:
The DT engines are of a wet-sleeve design. This means that the cylinder wall (sleeve) is a separately machined part that fits into the cylinder bores cast into the engine block. The cylinder sleeve is in contact with the engine coolant, hence the "wet"-sleeve.
Navistar claims that the wet-sleeve design enhances durability because the consistent wall thickness of the sleeve allows for consistent heat transfer, ensuring the cylinders stay round during thermal expansion. Additionally, they state that the hardened cylinder sleeve is more durable and wear resistant than a softer, cast-in wall. Also, the replaceable cylinder sleeves protect the block from damage (e.g. in case of foreign objects entering the cylinder) and can easily be replaced, which Navistar claims enables simpler restoration to original specifications. The wet-sleeve design also allows the engine to be rebuilt easily to factory specifications, sometimes without even removing the engine from the vehicle.
I would be interested in hearing what you like about the 8.3 Cummins and your experience with it?
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08-28-2014, 12:04 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
The 8.3 is bigger and gets better fuel economy than the DT. You cant go wrong with a DT at all! I would not hesitate with a 5.9, 8.3 or any of the DT's. Years ago I drove a DT466 with a 10 spd. Not a huge amount of power but it was a very nice setup.
Generally, the problem with DT buses is everything behind the engine. Transmission and gearing. 8.3's always had a 643 instead of the dreaded 545. I think the 8.3's were mostly used on the big road as a sports bus opposed to most DT's were route buses. Thats just my experiences, I could be wrong, just dont tell anyone.
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08-28-2014, 07:01 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Moodus, Ct.
Posts: 1,062
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Champion
Chassis: Ford e-450
Engine: 7.3 Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 14
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
I think one thing people lose sight of how many miles they'll put on their bus a year- 5 years-10 years. Motor X goes 400k between rebuilds-motor Y 800k. I only want motor Y. Hell-400k is 20k miles a year--for 20 years!
I'd worry 1st about good maintance + records-than limiting yourself to just 1 motor.
Where in Ct are you?
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08-28-2014, 09:55 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Snowflake, Arizona
Posts: 343
Year: 1996
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American Rear Engine
Engine: C-8.3-300 Cummins MD3060
Rated Cap: 40 Prisoners
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
I think that if you do some research you will find that the 8.3 cummins is a wet sleeve
engine as well and you can find some of these mated to the MD3060 transmission which
is a 6 speed transmission but usually limited to 5 speeds by the bus companies but you
can program the computer to open up the 6th gear which is actually a second overdrive.
My Blue Bird All American has the 8.3 and 5.38 differential ratio which gives it good pulling
power on hills but also good economy on the highway. Plus mine has the MD3060R trans
which has a retarder on it for slowing down on long hills to keep the brakes working cool.
From what I've read the Cummins it a million mile motor. Good luck and explore all possibilities.
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08-29-2014, 08:50 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
I've noticed that there are a number of travel trailers for sale in my area on CL in various stages of disrepair, I wonder, do many of the members buy these to harvest useful needed components for their conversions?
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08-29-2014, 11:28 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nebuchadnezzar
I've noticed that there are a number of travel trailers for sale in my area on CL in various stages of disrepair, I wonder, do many of the members buy these to harvest useful needed components for their conversions?
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there are two basic setups people use
1)buy an rv and strip/recycle it
and
2)Those that go residential
some do combine things like heat(rv propane setups) with a residential type build
Best thing, is you can do whatever floats your Skoolie
good luck with bus search
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08-29-2014, 11:57 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Moodus, Ct.
Posts: 1,062
Year: 1996
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Chassis: Ford e-450
Engine: 7.3 Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 14
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Re: Searching for the nebuchadnezzar
Yup- my heater and power supply and some trim came from a used pop up- last project was supplied from a slide in.
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