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Old 08-11-2019, 08:51 PM   #81
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Hmm wonder what happened here
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:02 AM   #82
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Hey guys! I got really excited when I signed on and saw this thread pop up. I am in the middle of my own fairly simple conversion, but about two months back when I bought my bus the couple I purchased my bus from was currently converting a full sized bus into a 4x4 offroader.
I got too excited to read every post before resonding so hopefully this is redundant or unnecessary.
I bought my bus in oregon from a school bus dealer who does conversions as well.

I have attached a photo of the school bus sign with their number in case youd like to ask them about it. You can mention that Jackie with morning star mentioned your 4x4 beauty.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:03 AM   #83
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I have to say the locker in my bus can make parking lot manuvers rather noisy and for lack of a better word weird. It is a Detroit Gear Locker.
Ronnie,

I am thinking about adding a Detroit Locker when I switch out my ring and pinion. I have heard they can be noisy when you turn. What do they do that is weird? Other than the noise and weirdness does it work well?

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Old 08-12-2019, 01:49 AM   #84
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I bought my bus in oregon from a school bus dealer who does conversions as well.
Wolf Creek does 4X4 conversions?
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:49 AM   #85
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check out the price for crew cab 1940's power wagons! personally i would not own a computerized modern transportation. i prefer old school metal and simple mechanics. got my first mechanic job in 1978 at an oldsmobile dealership, in little rock arkansas. but to each his own. when my truck is finished ill never sell it, leave it to my wife my son,
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:37 AM   #86
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New cab chassis is cheaper? Where do you live?



If you take into consideration labor (including your own) Parts and fabrication the new cab an chassis wins when you add in warranty and reliabilty.


Every mod of a heavy truck into 4wd done right will cost you. Most are never done right that I have seen. It all adds up including having to drive and haul all the parts you will need. The time and expense of finding them in the first place and reconditioning what you get then installing them.



I know this is the el-cheapo build site but the guy wants to retire and drive into the wilderness. Getting a tow of heavy truck out of the woods will wipe out pretty much any savings of building your own.


If you haven't experience building heavy drivetrains stay with what already works.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:43 AM   #87
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How much is that new Cab/Chassis?
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:55 PM   #88
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Ronnie,

I am thinking about adding a Detroit Locker when I switch out my ring and pinion. I have heard they can be noisy when you turn. What do they do that is weird? Other than the noise and weirdness does it work well?

Thanks

Ted
Ted,

Basically a Detroit locker works by being locked all the time then unlocking to make a turn as long as there is not much power being applied by the engine. However it does not simply and completely unlock it kind of for lack of a better word rachets in and out of lock as you turn. So most of the time this is not noticable, but sometimes it will do so with a loud pop and a noticable jerk. Parking lot u turns seem to do it more because there is no wheel slippage. On gravel, dirt, snow, there is just enough give that it becomes much tamer. So that is it for the noise and weirdness in a nutshell.

Does it work ? Oh yes very well. One wheel up on stump,rock, etc the other wheel has full power still, and most of the time will still move you. For less demanding situations as most of us would have in a bus, after we are not rock crawling, it is really nice for the added traction. I have nt gotten stuck on a boat launch ramp yet including dirt ones. My one ton truck does get stuck on the same launch ramp, bummer, so bus wins there.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:08 PM   #89
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detroit locker on the street operation

In my mind, a detroit locker is kind of like a ratchet and sounds like one on the road when in a turn, noisey clunky sounds. some times like marbles getting crunched around in a box. I find in low speeds, the locked up rear has the tendency to push a vehicle in a straight line. Not so good on ice making a tight turn. In a drag race, in very loose stuff like a muddy road This lock up is a good thing, trying to make a tight turn on maybe not so much so. For stuff that has to make tight turns, I like the action of clutch type limited slips, an alternative is a Torsen Gleason type limited slip. A clutch type can get very hot, like slipping a clutch or riding brakes, and the oil should probably be changed often in order to protect bearings from where. A Torsen type does not have to deal with heat, but is very tough on the shearing of the oil, wears out oil. Keep changed to keep the oil in good condition. Torsens quiet, use up some power to operate but I dont think that is a deal at all in most cases on a bus, clutch type will wear fastest of all, but can be rebuilt, and If you know what you are doing, might be able to machined in such a way that only work as limited slip under power but not limited slip under braking.

anyways, detroit can be noisy. I think a simple locker mechanism is best for heavy medium duty trucks, simple and turned on only when needed. then turn it off.

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Old 08-13-2019, 05:52 PM   #90
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The limited slips are for sure more road friendly... but have left me stuck, where a locker would have kept me moving. After all they are "limited slip".

As for the locker pushing in a straight line yes in a jeep or pickup especailly loaded with firewood on a muddy logging road yes it will push straight and you have to let off a bit to turn. Have not noticed this on the bus, being heavier and longer think makes a difference. Besides we are not mud digging with our bus. Soft sand roads it really helps and have not noticed any steering issues either.

As Magnakansas mentioned a selectable locker really is the best of both words unlocked for road use, and locked just when you decide you need it. Not sure if they are available for a bus rear though, but worth checking into.
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