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Old 06-10-2015, 09:17 PM   #1
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Colorado RV Emissions, Taxes, and Insurance

Well, this is confusing.

We are about to buy a bus out of state and move it here, we live in Colorado, and will be temporary moving to Oregon in September.

The bus will be our home for at least one year. I've been reviewing websites and trying to get my ducks in a row, however as many of you know, this **** is complicated. So naturally I've come to you all for assistance.

1) Who's had luck insuring a bus in Colorado? With which company and how much? I've called a company that came up in search but after sitting on the phone for half and hour while the woman on the other line did her own research, she asked to call me back later. Will it make a difference that my husband has experience driving this kind of vehicle, has a class B, and drives a flatbed for a construction company.

2) I've read that in colorado an RV is taxed on a few factors, one being original MSRP. How do I find the original MSRP for a 1992 Ward Senator? Then there is a tax on the weight, and some safety tax. Is this correct? Man-o-man, taxes could end up being more than the current value of the bus.

3) Who's gone through emissions testing with a bus or RV in colorado? What kind of mechanical problems or inherent nature of this may cause it to fail an emissions test?

4) Is there a better county to register in. I could do it in Denver or Jefferson county.

I appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks!
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:55 PM   #2
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In Boulder, sales taxes are based on purchase price. Registration is based on empty weight, not GVWR. And emissions ($75, needed yearly) are exhaust opacity only — how much black smoke it blows under load.

I went into the county clerk's office and ran some numbers. The lady there figured we'd probably get away for under $200.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:59 PM   #3
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In Boulder, sales taxes are based on purchase price. Registration is based on empty weight, not GVWR. And emissions ($75, needed yearly) are exhaust opacity only how much black smoke it blows under load.

I went into the county clerk's office and ran some numbers. The lady there figured we'd probably get away for under $200.
Thanks! That's better news than I found.
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Thanks! That's better news than I found.
You're welcome. It's worth the time to go into the office and ask in person. At least here, they're always willing to take lots of time to answer my weird questions.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:28 AM   #5
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Hey post some pics! I have a 92 Senator as well!
Did you buy the already "converted" primered one off CL? If you're looking at that one, it almost surely has some rust hidden.
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:07 AM   #6
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Hey post some pics! I have a 92 Senator as well!
Did you buy the already "converted" primered one off CL? If you're looking at that one, it almost surely has some rust hidden.
It's on CL but not primered. Tan/white, in Iowa. We just had it inspected.
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The factory roof hatches on Senators ALL leak and can cause quite a bit of rust inside the ceiling. Just a word of caution. See my thread for the pics of what it looks like inside there.
Otherwise I LOVE my Senator. Its a solid old bus.

But I've seen a couple of them "fully converted" but still sporting the original hatches and built on top of the factory interior panels. One guy was asking upwards of ten grand for baasically a primered, leaky, half assed "conversion" on a 92 Senator.

They're fairly "rare" buses, fwiw, but not worth any more than any other old bus. I like mine a lot more than the Thomas I used to have.
Just DOUBLE check anything from Iowa for RUST!!!! TRIPLE check it!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:40 AM   #8
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I looked at that ad, its a nice lookin bus, but man that's pricey.
Still has the HORRIBLE factory ward windows, which are pretty leaky and chintzy, and all the appliances are just pilfered rv spec stuff. One ac may not be enough but I do like the 3 roof vents.
It still has the factory "insulation" which I assure you is not worth having at all. Hell, if this price is getting attention I can't wait to see what my Ward will be "worth" when I'm done building it!!! I'll be upgrading ALL the windows, I've actually stripped it down and am conquering the little rust I had. With no insulation and one ac unit, that CL bus may get pretty hot and it will definitely be getting chilly in the cold months. I'd say that bus is a lot of style and little substance.

I've driven my Senator in the "mountains" out here in the east in TN and north Ga, and I'd not want to take it through the rockies.
If I were you, I'd be lookin for a Colorado area bus built and spec'd more for the REAL mountains out there.
Just my 2cents on bus selection. I bought mine to head out to Co then on to Or, but I don't see it making it across the Rockies too well, if at all.
I'd want a manual trans and maybe some sort of retarder or jake.
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:54 AM   #9
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I think most the used buses sold locally in CO are crazy over priced. I browsed by a 90's RE that was $8000!

As for as the insurance I'm with progressive commercial and it's about $60/mo. Gmac will supposedly insure it AFTER the conversion has been "professionally" completed.

If you plan on titling your bus as an RV then you will need to get it weighed on a certified scale (Sante fe sand and gravel), an e test (be sure to call and make sure they do heavy duty), and a pic of the inside and outside, and your insurance. To be honest though I don't know what diff it makes to title as an RV or leave it as a bus, if anyone could chime in that'd be appreciated.

Oh, and with registration cost: I always assume if I'm buying something cash, you can plan on registration costing roughly 10 percent of what you paid (or at least what you said you paid)
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To be honest though I don't know what diff it makes to title as an RV or leave it as a bus, if anyone could chime in that'd be appreciated.
Retitling it as an RV means no CDL required or requirements.
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