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Old 02-17-2006, 02:02 AM   #11
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You could actually probably replace duals with a single tire, I think I have seen trucks with those before, not sure where.
They are called "Super Singles", and used mostly on fuel trucks to save weight. A set on the drive axles and trailer tandems will save as much as 1,000 lbs in rotating mass. They provide a much better ride, allow more cooling air to reach the brakes, but are harder to find in stock if you should get a blow out on the road. I would think with the width they would work great in sand, but they do have a dendancy to "float" in the rain and snow.
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Old 02-17-2006, 02:27 AM   #12
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Please keep us posted on how you faired in the sand. I'm intregued because after getting stuck & towed in Florida sugar sand I'm leery about beaches and buses!
Dont say that, your scaring me.
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:32 PM   #13
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Another idea, if you don't have one already. Get a good bottle jack, some 2x4's are also good for extra height if needed. Jack it up fill in the hole. I suggested this to one guy with an old fire truck he was redoing for his enjoyment. He had it in his back yard stuck up to the bottom of the axle. He did that and got it right out.
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Sand is kind of like the snow I have a lot of experience driving in. If you plan to 4-wheel more than 4 months per year in Minnesota, snow becomes a factor.

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is to drive slow. A bus doesn't have the horsepower and troque to spin the tires like a baja buggy so taking it easy is the best bet. Wheelspin=digging. Just keep going at a nice steady pace and don't apply the brakes or throttle too suddenly. If you start to get stuck, STOP and fixd the problem before you're resting on the differential.

Also, be careful. I know it seems laughable when you see the size of the leaf packs on a bus, but they WILL get axle wrap and WILL toast u-joints (I know because a buddy of mine did with his skoolie saying "listen to the pipes" after he cut the muffler off.....silly boy)

Best of luck to you
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Old 03-21-2006, 02:45 PM   #15
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time for me to put in my crazy, sarcastic, but interesting and almost do-able idea.

You should just slap on a set of these...



they aren't called floaters for nothing!
how bout fuel costs with those bad boys?
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I was watching "Trick My Truck" on CMT and they put Super Singles on the rear of one of their semis, They were really nice and I don't think that it would decrease the gas mileage that much, and if you can afford wheels and tires for super singles you don't worry about gas prices.
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Old 03-22-2006, 02:29 AM   #17
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Super Singles save a lot of weight, and let more air get to the brakes to keep them cooler. From what I hear, you do get pettery milage due to having much less rotating mass.

The down side is finding tires if you get a flat. Not many small tire shops have them in stock. Also by switching to SS you have changed the strees oints on the wheel bearings, so you may need to replace your wheel bearings more often. Not much of an issue really, unless your are full timing it in the bus.

I know that Michelin's super single tires are a run flat design ( $$$ ).

You could check out a local tire shop for a used set of alunimum wheels for your bus and save a couple hundred pounds of rotating weight.
Or turn on your cb radio and hang out at a large truckstop for a while. Someone will be trying to sell a tire, rim, radio, or almost anything.

Over here in Europe, just about every truck runs super single tires.
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You could actually probably replace duals with a single tire, I think I have seen trucks with those before, not sure where.
I'm a truck driver, and some of our tractors and trailers have super singles where the duallies would be. They're about two feet wide, and I would guess that you'd get about 130-160% surface area over those narrow duallies. I bet the truck service centers at the truck stops could equip you with those. The closest one to Port Huron is... well, far away. :P all the truck stops in the Detroit area don't have service centers, except maybe the TA in Monroe, (exit 15 on I-75,) but I'm sure there are other places or a big truck shop somewhere in town that could get you equipped. My company has liked the overall performance of the SS tires. All the new equipment they buy comes so equipped.

Not that this post is really relevant, since you guys got back with quite the story. but... if you go back next year...
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Do you get better or worse mileage with the super-singles?

One advantage I could see to them is in reducing the number of wheels on the vehicle to 4. Sometimes neighborhoods or roads have wheel restrictions on them, and you might circumvent those with a set of the super-singles.
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I've heard they can be a chore to get used to. I guess they "walk" around corners (or so I've heard from truckers). My guess is that this means they understeer, a property I would attribute to them having more traction. Super singles on a tractor AND the trailer is the ultimate combo to get used to I guess. On the plus side they say they are far superior once they get used to them. They ride better, weigh less, etc. Of course if one blow you're going to feel it while driving....and in the pocketbook when you have to replace it
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