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11-15-2017, 01:57 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 570
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: dt466e
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Heater removal
I have a 98 international amtran. I've read other threads on removal but was hoping it was as simple as 1 2 3.
So, does this particular bus have "valves" i need to close for any reason? It seems it should be fairly easy. I see 2 hoses and i guess the wires for power coming from where the drivers seat is to the back. I've read in other threads and seen vids of people cutting the hoses and looping them near the front. Is it as simple as that?
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11-15-2017, 03:25 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Kansas
Posts: 224
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: 8.3 Cummins, 643
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you should have valves somewhere follow the lines through the firewall they are probably in your engine compartment. With the valves shut disconnect the lines and catch the coolant in something completing the loop after your defroster will allow you to use it. You may want to put the pump back in your system if your defrost doesn't get warm enough. If your removing the rear heaters permanently Trace the wires into the panel and disconnect them there so you don't short them later by accidentally closing the switch. It's fairly easy but can be a mess getting them out if not careful. Good luck!
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11-15-2017, 04:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Houston TX
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Year: 1998
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Chassis: International
Engine: dt466e
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Yea i want to remove it permanently. Whats this pump you mentioned?
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11-15-2017, 06:12 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Kansas
Posts: 224
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: 8.3 Cummins, 643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adic27
Yea i want to remove it permanently. Whats this pump you mentioned?
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There is a pump somewhere in the system that moves hot coolant into the heaters it will be inline with your hoses. You may not need it at all but I would keep it and if your defrost doesn't get warm put it back in somewhere up front it will make more sense when you find it
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11-18-2017, 03:57 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Houston TX
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Year: 1998
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Chassis: International
Engine: dt466e
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Where should i look for whatever I need to loop the hoses? I'm guessing there is a u shaped piece and fitting? Could I find it at like Harbor Freight? Or something?
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11-18-2017, 04:09 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adic27
Where should i look for whatever I need to loop the hoses? I'm guessing there is a u shaped piece and fitting? Could I find it at like Harbor Freight? Or something?
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Take a few inches of hose to home depot/Lowes and ask plumbing guy. Tell him what you are doing- 2-el's make a U. I like barbs on the hose ends of the fittings.
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11-18-2017, 05:28 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Houston TX
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Engine: dt466e
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I dont have any hose to take but i do know the hose is 1 inch as it says '1" heater hose SAE 20R3' on it
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11-18-2017, 07:06 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Kansas
Posts: 224
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: 8.3 Cummins, 643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adic27
I dont have any hose to take but i do know the hose is 1 inch as it says '1" heater hose SAE 20R3' on it
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Two 90's will work fine, the stock fittings on mine were copper so that's what I used.
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11-23-2017, 06:01 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: May 2017
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I don't know what you meant by 2 90's but are these the valves im looking for? The red water faucet looking knobs. One of them is kinda dirty in the bottom left corner
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11-23-2017, 07:27 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adic27
I don't know what you meant by 2 90's but are these the valves im looking for? The red water faucet looking knobs. One of them is kinda dirty in the bottom left corner
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those are it!.. what was meant by 90s. is right after your driver heater, install 2 90 degree elbows connected by a piece of hose to make the "loop" in the heating system complete, and then you just take out all the heaters behind the driver. closing those valves shuts off the coolant so when you cut the hoses you dont lose all of the antifreeze in the engine. they also keep the inside cooler in summer you keep those faucets closed so not to circulate hot coolant through the front heaters.
-Christopher
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11-23-2017, 11:16 AM
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Bus Nut
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Thanks cadillackid! Does anything need to be clamped? Was looking on amazon for the elbows but they dont seem to be what i need. Might have to go to home Depot
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11-23-2017, 03:37 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adic27
Thanks cadillackid! Does anything need to be clamped? Was looking on amazon for the elbows but they dont seem to be what i need. Might have to go to home Depot
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Your local plumbing suppliers would have more choice than Home Depot, and counter-staff who would sort it out for you. Yes, you also need stainless steel worm-drive clamps. They will have those too.
The cheapest way to do it would simply be a couple of straight connectors, 4 worm-drive clamps and make a loop from spare tubing, if you can hide it.
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11-26-2017, 10:30 PM
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Bus Nut
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These might have already been closed. Clockwise would be closing them right?
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11-28-2017, 02:23 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Kansas
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Year: 1995
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Yes just normal valves
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12-04-2017, 10:36 PM
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Bus Nut
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I finally went to a plumbing supply store and a guy suggested this based on what i told him i was trying to do and what i saw on the Internet and tried to describe
What do you guys think?
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12-04-2017, 11:20 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
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No, absolutely not. You've clearly got a "C" there, when what you need is a "U".
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12-05-2017, 04:52 AM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
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Year: 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
No, absolutely not. You've clearly got a "C" there, when what you need is a "U".
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Fixed for ewe, robin.
YES ! That is perfect- love the barbs. Street el's and union might cost more than regular els and nipple and flow less.
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12-05-2017, 08:33 AM
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Bus Geek
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That setup should work. I'm curious to know how that much weight hangs down there.
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12-05-2017, 08:53 AM
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Bus Nut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
No, absolutely not. You've clearly got a "C" there, when what you need is a "U".
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Cant tell if you attempted to make a joke or not..?
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12-05-2017, 09:02 AM
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Bus Geek
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Yes, the "C" to "U" is meant as a joke.
Your plumbing setup should work, but as others have indicated there may be some flow restriction. I doubt it would affect your cooling system since the "U" modification simply cuts out the rear heater loop.
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