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05-03-2015, 11:42 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 9
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How to keep warm in winter
Hello,
Paul here. I have a question for you guys, how does one go about the process of keeping a skoolie warm in the winter? I already have planned out the walls, (inserted with pink insulation). Ive been planning on using multiple electric heaters, to keep the place warm. Is there maybe a way to seal off the windows?
Please just comment anything that you think is useful to know about heating...
thanks,
yours truly;)
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05-03-2015, 12:26 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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Keep yourself warm and don't worry about the bus.
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05-03-2015, 03:59 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 1,635
Year: 2000
Chassis: Blue Bird
Engine: ISC 8.3
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Just for a point of reference in making a wild estimate of how much heat you might need.. I did an experiment with electric heat in my bus two years ago. I left two baseboard radiator heaters running overnight and tracked the temperature. The 4.5 kW electric heat was able to hold about 40 degree F temperature difference through the night (outdoor temperature in the low teens and in-bus temperature low to mid 50's). I hadn't added insulation or deleted windows at that time; the walls just had their dust-laden factory fiberglass batts in them. This was in a 38 foot Blue Bird flat-front body.
Just as in a fixed building, controlled air exchange (sealed windows and doors) and insulation are the big factors to retaining heat inside.
crazcal makes a good point: if your needs can be met by keeping just yourself warm, or just a part of the bus, it'll reduce the amount of heat you need to achieve comfort.
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05-03-2015, 04:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 258
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To that last point, one of the best investments I ever made was in a couple of electric blankets. We have one for the bed and one for the couch. You can easily be comfortable in a 60F room if you yourself are warm.
At one point there was concern about the radiation and possible links to cancer. No link has ever been proven and they're generally considered safe at this point. Modern products also give off a lot less radiation than the ones from the 70s, and are less of a fire risk, too.
YMMV and you make your own informed choices - we're happy with ours, though.
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05-12-2015, 10:43 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Algoma Boondockers
'i am installing a 12 000 BTU propane radiant heater to help keep the cold away. Should be plenty of heat.
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Plenty of moisture too.
Be safe and don't blow your bus up.
Nat
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05-12-2015, 11:11 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: EHT New Jersey
Posts: 1,134
Year: 2003
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International 3000RE
Engine: T444E/AT545
Rated Cap: 75
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Personally, I'd take Rachel Nichols (who looks a helluva lot better as a redhead), plenty of insulation and an electric blanket.
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09-24-2015, 12:52 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 10
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Radiator heat
Is anyone using the radiator heat to heat the bus during drive times?
I was thinking about adding one in middle and one in back of bus, those old time NE radiators to keep the bus warm during drive times.
I also read (somewhere) that diesel engines like a warmer running temp than gas engines. If this is true would I be harming the engine by using its heat?
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Do it once, Do it right, Then you can relax.
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09-24-2015, 08:05 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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I vote for:
You have wheels...use them and head south, that is my plan every year...still hasn't worked out tho'
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09-24-2015, 08:11 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LP4171
Is anyone using the radiator heat to heat the bus during drive times?
I was thinking about adding one in middle and one in back of bus, those old time NE radiators to keep the bus warm during drive times.
I also read (somewhere) that diesel engines like a warmer running temp than gas engines. If this is true would I be harming the engine by using its heat?
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The middle and rear heaters that come in most buses operate just like that.
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09-24-2015, 09:29 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 546
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I have a 13,600 btu diesel heater coming (vented and fan), we kept the 2 bus heaters for on the road use.
We travel and camp all year but do try to stay south in the winter.
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09-24-2015, 09:46 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I'm planning to run one stock rear bus heater in the restroom, and one in the "cab" that I'm going to section off. I'll have 100k+ btu's in the cab!
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09-24-2015, 10:27 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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The factory bus heaters that operate off the coolant are excellent. Big and clunky, but put out a lot of otherwise wasted heat over the road. As for propane, catalytic heaters are far and away the most efficient.
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09-24-2015, 02:10 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MNT CITY TN
Posts: 5,158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I'm planning to run one stock rear bus heater in the restroom, and one in the "cab" that I'm going to section off. I'll have 100k+ btu's in the cab!
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You silly FL peeps don't know what to do when it gets below 48*
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Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.
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09-24-2015, 02:52 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Nope, I sure as hell don't!
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09-24-2015, 05:56 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 308
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bansil
You silly FL peeps don't know what to do when it gets below 48*
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#smartenoughtoleave
Unless there is some really damn compelling reason I would up and leave.
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09-24-2015, 06:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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I use a Webasto.
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10-09-2015, 11:31 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1
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Wood burning stove
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10-10-2015, 09:11 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,359
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison AT1545
Rated Cap: 2
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i used a webasto knock-off called "Planar" diesel fired heat.
the problem i had with the heater is it doesnt burn right over 9000'. when it fires up... it just smokes, a lot of smoke. looks like cheech and chong are camping with white smoke billowing from the exhaust. i think the webastos have the same warning, not for high altitude heating.
for high altitude heat i had to get a heaterbuddy portable.
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10-10-2015, 10:38 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,626
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All-American R/E
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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I'm sure at 9000' you'd have to lean the Webasto out some.
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10-10-2015, 07:58 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 218
Year: 1997
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: Genesis
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 84
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There are high altitude kits for both Webasto and Espar units. The Webasto one increases fan speed and the Espar one apparently decreases fuel.
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