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Old 09-10-2015, 05:28 AM   #11
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Duplicate post sorry.
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Old 09-10-2015, 06:41 AM   #12
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I can also attest to the nastiness of the insulation. Even on my nearly rust free bus there was mold in the insulation especially under the windows where condensation runs down the panels.

As an interesting note, Carpenter only insulated every other opening. The one ceiling panel we removed so far was about 20"x 6' even though the cavity is about 31"x8'. Don't bother with all of the work to build a bus if you aren't willing to remove the panels. At least do the sides, the roof could theoretically be left alone, but why not do it while in demolition phase?

At least on our bus drilling the rivets is no big deal. I did the one side, 15 feet, in about 30 minutes or so. I have read that carpenter did some shoddy riveting but most that I have seen are fine. I used bits that are bigger than the head as well as smaller ones that are just right to make the rivet shank disappear when drilled. With the big bit you have to deal with the shank left in the hole. Ill just use a cut off wheel on those. I don't really understand all the talk of air chisels and destroyed panels, we could reuse my roof panel without even paining it if we wanted to. I have noticed that my bus has far less rivets than some brands so that makes it easier.

I say don't debate this as it is very important to have a solid base to start with, just get it apart and I believe that you will end up saving time in the end as it will be far easier to build out without metal in your way.
I don't know how your bus is put together. But my bus REQUIRED and air hammer and chisel.

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Old 09-10-2015, 07:10 AM   #13
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Lets not forget the constant source of moisture from the load of little mouth breathers these things were designed to carry. I mean think about how much is going to be kicked off a load of 40 kids in a hot bus. I remember watching the windows get frosted as a kid, that frost has to go some where. Not to mention there are much better forms of insulation available now days vs what was around in the early 90's
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Old 09-10-2015, 07:34 AM   #14
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I don't know how your bus is put together. But my bus REQUIRED and air hammer and chisel.

PICS of this please!
They are pop rivets. Place drill point in hole on flange of rivet and drill, thats it. They are steel but not too hard. Ill post pics when I figure that out. Your's must be hard steel or bucked type rivets?
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Mine were steel, some rusty, and there were thousands of them.
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I just removed the small 32 inch panel at the rear drivers side. 13 rivets it took 5 minutes despite the fact that I had to pry the panel outward with a panel tool to keep 2 of them from spinning. I guess we are lucky to get off so easy on this stage.
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Old 09-10-2015, 09:41 AM   #17
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Got the next panel off and there is an elaborate mouse nest in the insulation. Its an old bus but a great argument for the idea that it is always best to pull the panels.
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Pics would be gross, but GREAT!
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Pics would be gross, but GREAT!
How would I post that from phone without having a pic host?
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