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02-24-2017, 07:39 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Luminator Destination Sign
anybody know how to hack this? Or at least break into one/reset access code? This is totally badass, but my fingers have set off a beeping alarm
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02-24-2017, 09:21 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dredman
anybody know how to hack this? Or at least break into one/reset access code? This is totally badass, but my fingers have set off a beeping alarm
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have you tried laminator customer service? they may be able to give you a reset code, or send you a pdf of the operating manual. you are the end user now.
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02-25-2017, 09:45 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Njsurf73
have you tried laminator customer service? they may be able to give you a reset code, or send you a pdf of the operating manual. you are the end user now.
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I guess that is my last resort?
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02-25-2017, 09:50 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dredman
I guess that is my last resort?
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Why last resort? It should be your first try. Unless you really want a challenge, the manufacturer has all the answers. Since you already own one of thier products, it's a customer service/support issue.
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02-25-2017, 09:51 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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That thing is so cool!
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02-25-2017, 09:57 AM
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#6
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Njsurf73
Why last resort? It should be your first try. Unless you really want a challenge, the manufacturer has all the answers. Since you already own one of thier products, it's a customer service/support issue.
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I guess our experience with product support is different?
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02-25-2017, 09:58 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
That thing is so cool!
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The only way it could be cooler would be bigger, more pixels, and full-color....and one for the rear too?
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02-25-2017, 10:00 AM
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#8
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dredman
I guess our experience with product support is different?
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Hahaha. Probably not, but I am optimistic. Find any s/n or p/n you can before you try. Just an email explaining that you now own this and the previous owner didn't include a manual... Could pay off.
Good luck!
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02-25-2017, 02:57 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 208
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Not sure if this is the same model, but this is the best video I could find on Youtube.
I should note, the video posted above is from a user that specializes in repair and supply of these systems.
Until you figure out the beep, just unplug it or pull the fuse
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02-25-2017, 03:04 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 208
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The guy who has the Youtube channel, has a site - but man .. so hard to navigate - and I have a background in web software engineering!! lol
Anyway, here is a page for complete units he has for sale - Rollsign Gallery - Transit Store - Electronic Signs
At the top of his page - he has an FAQ related to your question:
Q: Do you have the software to program these signs available for sale?
A: I do have the software for these signs, BUT because of Copyright restrictions, I am NOT LEGALLY PERMITTED to sell or give away copies of
it. If you would like to get your own copy of the Luminator software, please contact Luminator directly, at (972) 424-6511. Ask for the "Luminator
IPS" software.
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02-27-2017, 07:43 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Called "customer support" - as I expected close to useless. She did tell me how to turn off the alarm. Then told me I need to purchase a flash card for $400, then asked how many buses I had - after I told her my story of the ONE bus. I will keep searching.
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02-27-2017, 07:44 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 208
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I would call Rollsign in the link above. They can likely point you in the right direction!
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02-27-2017, 07:44 PM
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#13
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dredman
Called "customer support" - as I expected close to useless. She did tell me how to turn off the alarm. Then told me I need to purchase a flash card for $400, then asked how many buses I had - after I told her my story of the ONE bus. I will keep searching.
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I wonder how many people on here actually have those signs. You may be unique! Lol
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02-27-2017, 08:11 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ourmefa
I would call Rollsign in the link above. They can likely point you in the right direction!
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Looked at his site pretty well, looks like he sells his reprogramming services, not software - I want to be able to change at will, not ship him my card every time I want to change it. May call him anyway?
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09-30-2017, 03:52 PM
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#15
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 386
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Its possible the access code requires a handset to reset. Try visiting a local transit company and buy one of their techs a drink
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09-30-2017, 04:10 PM
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#16
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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09-04-2018, 12:15 PM
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#17
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: West Des Moines, Iowa
Posts: 2
Year: 2000
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Did you figure this out? Just just purchased a 2000 Gillig and would like the change the sign.
Thanks!
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09-04-2018, 12:18 PM
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#18
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Birmingham Al
Posts: 602
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Blue Bird
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never did, but I stopped trying. Lots more problems since I started trying that took my attention
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09-04-2018, 12:21 PM
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#19
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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Did you ever get your bus rolling? I have been out of the loop for a while.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dredman
never did, but I stopped trying. Lots more problems since I started trying that took my attention
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09-04-2018, 01:22 PM
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#20
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 1,635
Year: 2000
Chassis: Blue Bird
Engine: ISC 8.3
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Huh. Not sure how I missed this thread when it came up before.. guess I haven't been regular enough on the skoolie site!
Back in 2015 ( teaser) I reverse-engineered the protocol Luminator used (uses?) between the ODK and the display itself. I figured I have no specific need for the ODK necessarily; I'm happy to provide a computer of my own which I fully control rather than figure out how to program theirs.
In a nutshell, the link between ODK and sign(s) uses RS-485 to deliver one or more bitmaps to each sign. If more than one bitmap is sent to a sign, logic insdie the sign will automatically rotate through the set of bitmaps. As I recall they can hold up to 8 frames. I never did investigate whether the frame change interval is adjustable. It wouldn't make sense to go very fast; it takes a few hundreds of msec to flip the dots to re-draw the sign anyway.
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