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Old 09-21-2009, 09:46 PM   #1
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need help with windows!!!

I am looking for info on windows.
I have read somewhere, here or other places, that you should never use home type windows in a skoolie.

I can't remember where it was, but Smitty is thinking of doing it, and I can't find the articles/reasons that i am telling him it isn't advised. I know it had something to do with vibration and the way they are secured, but can't find the literature to back up my stand on the subject. Would hate to see him go ahead and install if they aren't going to work...

Little help?
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:16 PM   #2
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Re: need help with windows!!!

In Virgina, it is illegal to have any type of window glass in a vehicle that isn't safety glass of some type.

I previously referenced the specific code reference in Smitty's thread here about the windows he is choosing.

In the event of a collision, non-safety glass will break into shards, which can go flying and easily kill or maim someone. That right there is enough reason for me not to do it.

Also, should there be a collision, and an investigation shows improper glass was used, that opens you up to liability issues, regardless of whether the glass caused any injuries. I believe Smitty will agree with me that insurance companies will use any excuse they can not to honor a claim, and any improper equipment could easily be such an excuse.

However, each person can make this decision for themselves. I just hope not to be too close to a vehicle with improper glass in the event of a a collision.

Oh, just to be clear, home type windows are just fine as long as the GLASS is a type of safety glass. The key issue of course being the glass.

just my two cents worth,
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:12 PM   #3
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Re: need help with windows!!!

I wouldnt chance having anything but tempered glass. RV windows arent very much money. I bet you can pick them up for less than residential windows and they dont have the super thick frame either. Ebay has them all the time for cheap. I tried to think of anything that would go flying if I were to get in a crash and screwed it down well. I bought a wrecked car (RX7) for parts a few years back that had an amp fly from the back of the car and through the windshield and always think about that. That would make a mess of your head in a crash. My bus may break down from me being lazy and cheap but no way would I have someone get hurt or killed from that.
Tint will help keep the glass together somewhat but is no replacement for laminated or tempered. Mirrors in commercial restrooms and closet doors have a thick vinyl film on the back to hold them together if they break. Glass can be very dangerous, dont take chances with it.
Youre right about the insurance companies. I want to put my painters name by the door since he helped so much with my build but wonder if something happens if they would then say it is being used commerically and deny coverage, they are funny like that.
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Re: need help with windows!!!

You can get replacement IG panels for either one at any glass shop in regular or tempered glass if needed. Typically they just measure it up and their glass supplier i.e. Oldcastle makes them so the banding thickness wouldnt matter as they would stock about every type imaginable. If you went the residential window route, you should be able to order it in tempered, the price difference would be little between the two.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:33 PM   #5
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Re: need help with windows!!!

How do you remove the windows? I've unscrewed everything from the inside except the metal panels on the top. It looks like they might hold in the window - not sure. Obviously I will see next time I go up and work on my skoolie but how did you guys remove your windows?
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Re: need help with windows!!!

Lower the windows so you can get a good grip on the middle of the window at both outermost sides and try lightly shaking the window to loosen it from the sides. Too much force and you could possibly break the window. But Smitty is right, they seal them into place.
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I have had to use a heat gun to loosen up the sealant used around the windows. Mine were put in with butyl rubber adhesive. Few minutes with a 1500 watt heat gun and some good strong constant force and they slowly pulled away from the frame and came out. The butyl rubber adhesive is easiest to remove from the frame when cold, but easier to remove the windows when heated up.
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Re: need help with windows!!!

[quote="RUskoolietailgater"... I've unscrewed everything from the inside except the metal panels on the top. It looks like they might hold in the window...[/quote]


In our Bluebird, the long metal panels above the windows also had to be removed. Once we removed the top panels (and unscrewed the 2 screws with large washers on the upright posts between the windows, we could wrestle the windows out... with a lot of colurful language. The windows were embedded in butyl caulk. It was very sticky.
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[quote="Pied Typer"]Thats funny, because in my Bluebird, I actually have to take the windows out to get wiring chase panels off


Here is the "how to" from a Bluebird Owners Manual:

Perhaps they put the panels back in in the wrong order??? I do know that the panels had been removed before we bought it since there is evidence of "repair" work (such as it is). Our ceiling is a mess in a couple of places. I think they were trying to find a leak. I don't think they were successful. I fixed a leak near where the ceiling is messed up.


Where did you get a BlueBird owners manual???
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Re: need help with windows!!!

Mine has the windows over the access panels. To pull the panels, I need to remove the windows too. My bus came with the owners manual, chassis manual, and a few other neat things like a special hose to connect a standard propane tank to the bus in case you run it out of propane.
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