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Old 10-01-2016, 11:47 AM   #11
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What...do you guys just look at the pictures? Read the post!



And don't be intimidated by the android functionality. Its different from iPhone but its just to get an android tablet and muck around with it until you recognize the patterns. And if you get stuck, get on your computer and ask google "How do I (insert question here) with android?" Then look thru the results until you find what you're after.
I read the post.
And craigslist has nexus 7 tablets for $300 bucks & up! And I don't know what the hell in buying.
I won't buy used electronics from eBay anymore, been burned twice! Only CL local for used electronics.

Anything I find in the $100 range is 3 hours away... Again, I don't know what I'm buying.
Then they throw in Verizon, AT&T, etc... Then 16 gig, 32gig, etc... I can rip movies to run on tablet, but I don't know how much space the converted movie produces.

I can learn how to Root a tablet, but I've gotta take baby steps

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Old 10-02-2016, 06:33 PM   #12
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Thanks. I missed it. Great setup.
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:15 PM   #13
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...as a matter of fact...

This setup just helped me diagnose the cold start / poor driveability problems I've been experiencing. Low voltage on the Fuel Injector Control Module (FICM). Very common on these 6.0L diesels. The power supply board inside the module is known for failure and low voltage is how you diagnose it.

Dorman makes a replacement board available from Amazon for $93. This Torque Pro app allows me to monitor the FICM voltage as I am travelling down the road and shows the voltage is fluctuating...thus indicating that my fkkng FICM is bad and I need to spend another fkkng $93.
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:23 PM   #14
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I love torquepro, i use it in my smart-car..

on my latest Bus I have to deal with WinDOZE and run the servicemaxx since its an international and not a ford.. I'll have to run it probably on my surfacepro..

which by the way International GIVES away the servicemaxx software now for those that have "legacy" engines.. which covers all of the engines pretty much on our forum.. the DT-466E, T-444E, and VT-365 are all considered "legacy" and run on the J-1708 protocol.. so those with internationals just need the adapter and the software is free...

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Old 10-02-2016, 10:00 PM   #15
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So what buses have OBDII... I have an '01 Blue Bird with Cummins and Allison...Does that one have OBDII?
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Old 10-03-2016, 05:16 AM   #16
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Yea i used a Torque app with an obd transmitter , to troubleshoot a o2 sensor in a volvo, and those are super cool!
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Old 10-03-2016, 06:27 AM   #17
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So what buses have OBDII... I have an '01 Blue Bird with Cummins and Allison...Does that one have OBDII?

your Van cutaway busses will have OBD-II, they were sold in pure van form as consumer vehicles so they had to be OBD-II

commercial trucks were exempt from the law that went into effect way back when so they are on different stuff..

your large bus platforms are usually on J1708 or J1939 (newer).. some of the newest stiuff is on the 50k baud.

the Majority of our busses on here are J-1708 considered "Legacy" engines as far as international..

I know International gives away the legacy ServiceMaxx software with some of the options disabled unless you activate it.. but that only covers Internationals with International Engines.. Namely the 2 relevant to this forum would be the DT-466E and the T-444E..

Cummins (if electronically controlled) will likely be J-1708 however i dont know what software you would use to program or read it out, Torque works for the cummins in consumer pickups as they are OBD-II, but im sure the PID's are different in the commercial ECM..

your AT-545 (if your engine is electronic) is still a mechanical transmission but MAY have an electronic Modulator.. basically the computer operates an electric motor which simulates the shift-throttle-cable.. this was done on the fly-by-wire engines.. because there was no way to actuate a cable since the pedal is just a controller..

once you get into the 2000 Series.. SOME of the PCM software allows you some access to allison, but typically you need a separate cable and software to program the allison transmissions themselves... ie to iunlock 6th gear, control lockup functions, and the like..

-Christopher
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:28 PM   #18
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for those that prefer iOS you can do this with an iPAD as well... Wi-Fi OBD-II modules will work with it and the Dash-Command software.. while its not as customizable as Torque it is nice nevertheless..

GPS-wise the iPADS with cellular capabilities have built in GPS chipsets.. the GPS will work even if you do not activate the cellular account on the ipad.. you can find first or 2nd gen ipad minis reasonably priced now...

I run Co-pilot Truck on mine which is an off-line GPS, all the maps are downloaded..

since my DEV bus is purely mechanical I have no beed for OBD in that bus... my new T-444E doesnt use OBD-II it has the IHC PCM so I doubt i'll find a scanner to read it.. havent looked into it yet

the OBD-II portion is useful for those that have Cutaways like the E series and GMC short busses...

-Christopher
darn, I was thinking this could be a usable and fairly easy way to upgrade or replace the wonky international dash clusters. didn't realize the full sized busses didn't use obd2
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:38 PM   #19
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your Van cutaway busses will have OBD-II, they were sold in pure van form as consumer vehicles so they had to be OBD-II

commercial trucks were exempt from the law that went into effect way back when so they are on different stuff..

your large bus platforms are usually on J1708 or J1939 (newer).. some of the newest stiuff is on the 50k baud.

the Majority of our busses on here are J-1708 considered "Legacy" engines as far as international..

I know International gives away the legacy ServiceMaxx software with some of the options disabled unless you activate it.. but that only covers Internationals with International Engines.. Namely the 2 relevant to this forum would be the DT-466E and the T-444E..

Cummins (if electronically controlled) will likely be J-1708 however i dont know what software you would use to program or read it out, Torque works for the cummins in consumer pickups as they are OBD-II, but im sure the PID's are different in the commercial ECM..

your AT-545 (if your engine is electronic) is still a mechanical transmission but MAY have an electronic Modulator.. basically the computer operates an electric motor which simulates the shift-throttle-cable.. this was done on the fly-by-wire engines.. because there was no way to actuate a cable since the pedal is just a controller..

once you get into the 2000 Series.. SOME of the PCM software allows you some access to allison, but typically you need a separate cable and software to program the allison transmissions themselves... ie to iunlock 6th gear, control lockup functions, and the like..

-Christopher
would this adapter work?
diagnostic-tool OBD2 Interface truck Y-cable OBD2 16Pin Female to Female 6pin SAE J1939 and SAE J1708 9pin Female - Blazen Auto
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:45 PM   #20
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darn, I was thinking this could be a usable and fairly easy way to upgrade or replace the wonky international dash clusters. didn't realize the full sized busses didn't use obd2

I use a WIN tablet on my main dash right now... its connected to a SilverLeaf electronics VMSpc device... that gets me everything except my trans temp and Fuel... they dont go through the computer...

i think I may build my own device and write my own software at some point so I can use android or raspberry pi and have all my gauges digital on the 444E bus..

the ELM-325 Chip is a good J1708 / J1587 decocder chip.. J-1708 is the physical layer and is based on RS-485.. its not too hard to build a circuit to talk to it.. and the ELM chip handles the timings and what not required to talk on the bus..

the J1587 protocol is published as to what the PID numbers are..

ive done a lot of studying up on this stuff in the last couple months...

my ASUS win tablet and VMSpc device works for now but isnt the de all / end all i want..

I do believe for NAVI and info-tainment im going to build myself a new dashboard panel for the bluebird and in-mount a Tablet or some sort.. not sire what yet.. I may use an iPAD mini on that one, and then below it moiunt a Raspberry PI controlled touch-screen for my switches like the A/C and heat..

I also plan to try and ditch the outside mirrors in favor of cameras.. I just have to figure a way to deal with the inside light pollution if i have so many screens..

-Christopher
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