Roof Raise Steel question

[crazycal]

Originally Posted by Stu & Filo. T

No she's not the one driving the bus.

Why did I give her up? She looked me right in the eye and said "I'm one of the smartest women there is I'm the final authority you will do **** my way or get out"

15 minutes later I was gone & boy as was grabbing my things she was begging me to stop and now that she's out of my life my hair went back to it's normal color my prostate went back to normal size & the night terrors have stopped.

Just an example ,Every Dentist in the world will tell you to floss after brushing, she felt it was better to floss before brushing, she would come in see me flossing after brushing start motherfing me scream yell swearing that she told that to floss before brushing & God dammit I will obey her.

And Jealous , I once held the door for her & another woman was 5ft behind her so I held it for her too, I was screamed at swore at on the spot because in her mind I just committed adultery

Amazing. My ex wasn't that bad but similar. She yelled at me in front of my employees once. I asked her to come close. I pulled her in close to whisper in her ear. I told her if she ever spoke to me that way in front of an employee, I would put her in her place and not by whispering in her ear. She understood my meaning and said so. In private, it was another story. People laugh when I tell them my marriage lasted 15 minutes.

[The-Breeze]

A few pages back this comment was made & curiosity has gotten the best of me

What does "Armature DIY people can set good rivets and bolts in almost any environment without failure" mean.

Is this a reference to "immature DIYers or amateur DIYers". I have never heard of armature DIYers.

and was wondering if new class of stupidity has been created specifically for us Skoolies.

[nat_ster]

Originally Posted by The-Breeze

A few pages back this comment was made & curiosity has gotten the best of me

What does "Armature DIY people can set good rivets and bolts in almost any environment without failure" mean.

Is this a reference to "immature DIYers or amateur DIYers". I have never heard of armature DIYers.

and was wondering if new class of stupidity has been created specifically for us Skoolies.

No, your just over thinking things again.

A amateur DIY person is someone that likes doing things themselves, but doesn't have the skill and experience level yet, like a seasoned DIY person does.

When I was in my twenties, I was a amateur DIY. Now I have played with enough tools, in enough trades, and put in the hours to become a seasoned DIY.

That's all.

Nat

[EastCoastCB]

I haven't seen any horrible amateur welds or welders on this site yet.
The "bubba factor" is really more prevalent in the 4x4 scene. Seems like someone has a certain hostility to any method other than their own.

[CaptainInsaneo]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

. Seems like someone has a certain hostility to any method other than their own.

Its true you found my dark secret. I can hide it no longer.

[nat_ster]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

Seems like someone has a certain hostility to any method other than their own.

His broken record repeating himself is getting old.

A few of us are trying to help Amateur DIY people get the job done without needing thousands of dollars in equipment they can't even use properly.

Nat

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by nat_ster

His broken record repeating himself is getting old.

A few of us are trying to help Amateur DIY people get the job done without needing thousands of dollars in equipment they can't even use properly.

Nat

[The-Breeze]

Good try there but you still haven't answered my question. I know what an amateur person is, I am an amateur when it comes to bus conversions.

I also know what an "immature person" is, I get to read it many, many times every day. Most usually the same stuff over & over again. Immaturity comes from people who keep repeating themselves over & over again hoping for different results & responses.

I still want to know what an "ARMATURE" person is?

[nat_ster]

We are killing a tech thread here guys.

Nat

[jake_blue]

"We"? Love your insights and experience Nat but let's be honest about who's diatribe is killing threads... Sorry to have to call you out like that.

[CaptainInsaneo]

Realistically bolts, welds, rivets, self tapping sheet metal screws, hell JB weld would probably work if you used enough of it over a large enough surface area, although that would probably cost more than welder.

Because in the end you are going to skin over it and attach that skin to both the old and new metal I really don't think it will mater that much. This will capture it all together and make it really rigid, like when you tack on the card board back to that super cheap big box store bookshelf.

No mater what you do it will be stronger than a standard RV.

[jake_blue]

I don't see too many cheap big box store bookshelves doing 60mph down the highway though. I would guess it'll be worse to 'guess and glue' then cover it all up and not even be able to see it wearing and failing from the road stress until it all fails catastrophically.

[CaptainInsaneo]

I don't see too many big box stores selling riveted steel shelves either.

My point was that once you attach the skin to the frame it will get really solid real quick, and not to stress the minutia. All of theses answers are a good, better, best while taking in account your personal skills. There really isn't a wrong answer, and there are several right answers. Have you seen how RVs are constructed, seriously there isn't anything you could do that would be worse than one of those. If a bus roof raise was done by an RV tech they would just use 2x2's screwed into the channels with a little dicor for good measure. They still handle highway speeds.
For the record I realllllly don't recommend using JB weld but modern epoxies are really quite good and are used in the construction of super cars all the time, so yeah they could handle 60mph.

[nat_ster]

When I drove tow truck, we would need three deck trucks to haul most RV collisions off the road. One for the frame, and two for the debris.

Upon impact they explode. Crap everywhere. We got paid good to clean that stuff up.

That is when I decided I was going the skoolie rout.

I cant believe they even alow them stick and staples piles of $hit on the road.

They also burn like a match stick.

Skoolies don't.

Nat

[Skunky Bus]

Originally Posted by nat_ster

When I drove tow truck, we would need three deck trucks to haul most RV collisions off the road. One for the frame, and two for the debris.

Upon impact they explode. Crap everywhere. We got paid good to clean that stuff up.

That is when I decided I was going the skoolie rout.

I cant believe they even alow them stick and staples piles of $hit on the road.

They also burn like a match stick.

Skoolies don't.

Nat

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a slugfest. It's got great information and I can't declare either Nat's or EastCoastCB's positions "wrong." That's because my knowledge of welding is very rudimentary. For me, Nat_ster's position here is worth considering as an alternative to learning how to weld properly. As for hat-section stock, that makes sense to me.

A city bus driver in Delaware inadvertently demonstrated the superiority of bus construction over RVs by hitting one that was parked:

[IMG]http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/images/1200*675/DART+Bus+RV+Crash+Delaware+City.jpg[/IMG]

[crazycal]

10 characters.

[CaptainInsaneo]

Originally Posted by Skunky Bus

A city bus driver in Delaware inadvertently demonstrated the superiority of bus construction over RVs by hitting one that was parked:

I am glad he preformed that experiment for us.

[aaronsb]

It looks like the only reason the city bus has a hole in it is because the upper face is fiberglass instead of steel.

Originally Posted by Skunky Bus

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a slugfest. It's got great information and I can't declare either Nat's or EastCoastCB's positions "wrong." That's because my knowledge of welding is very rudimentary. For me, Nat_ster's position here is worth considering as an alternative to learning how to weld properly. As for hat-section stock, that makes sense to me.

A city bus driver in Delaware inadvertently demonstrated the superiority of bus construction over RVs by hitting one that was parked:
[IMG]http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/images/1200*675/DART+Bus+RV+Crash+Delaware+City.jpg[/IMG]

[Skunky Bus]

Originally Posted by crazycal

10 characters.

Thanks for posting the picture. It was just defying me.

[jake_blue]

That bus has a trophy!

I don't know how municipal buses compare to school buses in terms of their robust construction... again it probably varies by manufacturer and model.