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Old 05-25-2012, 11:27 PM   #161
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.... needs perfect underlayment if ya wanna have no cracks...
I installed it in a popup. The floor was bolted down from the inside. I removed the bolts and put the tile over, reinstalled the huge bolts that were countersunk into the floor. The 3 pc floor was far from perfect. I installed directly over the old vinyl flooring that was "securely" attached to the plywood decking. It was so secure I didn't want to chisel the stuff up.


I like the last stuff. I wanted that for our bus. David said he couldn't live with the pattern.
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:13 AM   #162
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wait ten yrs and then see if ya got cracks...
i put that stuff in most of my apartments and eventually it cracks unless it is done right. but there is kids, and people breaking the doors, etc...
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:44 AM   #163
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I like the last stuff. I wanted that for our bus. David said he couldn't live with the pattern.
I wondered if I would get sick of the pattern too. But If I do, throw rugs can hide the ugly.

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i put that stuff in most of my apartments and eventually it cracks unless it is done right. but there is kids, and people breaking the doors, etc...
Chev, what kind of environment was your floor installed in... humid, dry, heavy traffic with mud, normal traffic, etc? I'm curious how different your environment may be from mine, or if we're under the same conditions (humid, large dog, cat who eats mice on it, me who tracks mud in occasionally).

The first time I installed this stuff, it was in the hallway upstairs to cover a badly aged and scarred hardwood floor that was installed in the 30's and was finally showing its age. I loved how easy it was to work with. However, I also understand "ya git whatcha paid fer". This stuff is half as thick as the ultra (which wasn't that thick to begin with), and half as expensive too. But it did have a 25 year warranty, so we'll see...

I think the only thing that really recommends this stuff for now is how quick it is to install "right". I spent 2 days hassling with the "ultra" crap. I spent 3 hours last night laying down 3 rows of the regular stuff. It just kinda sells itself with that kind of recommendation.
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:14 AM   #164
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i have apartments that the original building was made in 1930, and it is in Oregon where water and God knows only what else gets tracked in.. like rocks..The floors were uneven when i bought it, and had oak flooring on them, but the floor joist supports arent the greatest. Therefore the floor will move some. I have found that in order to get tile (esp ceramic) to stay, is to put a new sub floor on top. In the old floors which i have just installed the vynal tile over the linoleum (which is on the oal flooring) it will crack in the same places that the linoleum did.. but it takes a couple of years.
Another thing to consider is the load placed on the tile. For example people moving in an out with like piano, washers, and kids trikes, etc.

What i have found that really works super is to put a sub floor on and correctly install ceramic tile. One person on one of the bus bb's has done that in his bus. I would have done that instead of the pergo flooring stuff, but it is far more work.

if your tile is laid down correctly, i think it will work fine with most moisture conditions in a bus, with normal foot traffic.
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:33 PM   #165
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wait ten yrs and then see if ya got cracks......
We did, it didn't (crack, that is). We sold the popup and bought the Class C otherwise I would show pics. It sure handled the abuse we gave it very well. We bounced that popup from NC to FL & back, NC to SC (lived in it in a campground for a month while we tried to rent a house), SC to Niagara Falls & back, SC to TN (fulltime for 1 1/2 years), TN to Virginia Beach & back, TN to Cordele Ga & back, plus hundreds of "short" trips of less than 200 miles (one way) over the years. The floor flexed when we walked on it. Of course I glued the crap out of it. There were no thin spots where there wasn't enough of the glue.

We put down "self stick" tiles in the food cart (1st floor) and it popped right back up in the summer heat (NC). I decided right then I liked the glue down tiles. Only down side I found was figuring out which side was the top side and making sure the "pattern" ran the same way thru out.. It got confusing after a few rows. I ended up making an arrow on the back (dull) side. Might of had something to do with the floor glue.
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The flooring in the front of the bus is DONE! It's amazing how easy this stuff is to work with. There are a couple of minor imperfections in my line-up of the tiles, but I can live with it.


Cutting the details into this stuff was so easy! It was a little time consuming, but well worth the final effort.


Tomorrow I'll move everything out of the back of the bus and finish putting this stuff down. I'm hoping to get it done before I'm supposed to meet my Mother for lunch. There isn't as much detail to cut in the back, so I don't foresee any problems with getting it done.

If only the commercial stuff installed this easy...
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looks great
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:08 AM   #168
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I still like the pattern but David still doesn't think he could live with it. So it's the plain vanilla floor for me. David says the floor combined with what all I want to do will be too much.
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Tygercub:

I really like your videos - I have the same issues with my BBS with some people not on fast internet. Post videos for the people who have a fast connection and text and stills for people who do not. You can do frame grabs from the video if you forget to take stills.

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Today I covered the rear of the bus with flooring. Went to see "Battleship" with my Mother, which was fun in a mindless entertainment sort of way. Ate dinner with her, then came home and crawled under the bus to contemplate where the hell I'm going to put my waste tank for the umpteenth time. Gave up and came inside to put together the video below.

There is one more I haven't gotten the time to edit yet. But in the mean time, here is a long overdue explanation of how I created the template for my ceiling curvature:
[flash=640,360:r7st51cs]http://www.youtube.com/v/D5vxNguGdng?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0[/flash:r7st51cs]

Basically, the video shows me taping poster board to the wall and a corner post. I then hold a permanent marker against a measuring tape that has been expanded so the tip is against the ceiling and the body of the tape is by the pen. I hold the pen steady as I follow the curve of the ceiling, which naturally transfers the shape to the poster board. The board is trimmed along the line and test fitted. Any minor adjustments that need to be made are done and the final product is displayed.

Easy peasy!

Hope this helps someone. I'll post more later.
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