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Old 05-26-2016, 10:32 AM   #111
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alternative hot water wood, solar, LP

So I need to call on all the physics majors and any body with a knack for thermo and hydro dynamics. i'm trying to figure out my water system specifically the hot water because I want to have alternative heating methods. in the diagram below the very simple drawing on top is a tried and true water heater that I grew up with. hot water tank elevated above heating coils, 4 outlets to the tank hot and cold intake and out put then tank water to and from heating coil. the heating coils was 3/8" copper tubing coiled around the 6" chimney pipe. 6" pipe x pie 18+" time 10 coils a little better than 15' of coil creating thermal up lift and cycling the water WITH OUT any pumps or moving parts. only 2 cons to this. 1 too hot a fire and the water would boil in the coil... not bad just make funny sounds and then the pressure valve would vent. 2. we had hard water so every few years the coil would lime up and we would have to replace it. my dads advice was to use coolant/ oil in the coil.

this is where i need you guys the bottom part of the diagram is my skoolie blue is cold water, red is hot water, green is coolant. i'm going to have a disconnect panel going to the solar for movement and possibly for cold months, wood for winter, and LP heater if I end up some where with no room for panels and to hot for wood. now the question is where do i place the heat exchanger and the oil reservoir where i can still capitalize on the thermal moment and reduce the need for 3 pumps for the system.

the feed in to the bus is looped so when i take it to cold climates there will be more circulation to keep the pipes and tanks from freezing. i also wanted to have the heat exchanger in the under storage with the tanks but i'm not sure if that will be conducive to thermal flow.

also i thought i had an exchanger lined up that would be conducive to thermal flow but this is all i can find now.
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Old 05-26-2016, 03:19 PM   #112
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To find low clearance underpasses, the book you want is Rand McNally's Motor Carriers' Road Atlas. It has a list of all such, and much else. You should be able to buy it in any truck stop.
Many states allow 14', and this atlas shows those also. I doubt many states enforce 13'6", but you might want to be safe on that.
Chicago is a special case, because of the infamous Elevated Trains. There is a whole book full of nothing but Chicago underpass clearances, many of which are ridiculously low. I must have given that book away, as I cannot find mine. (Of course, it was rather old, too.)
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Old 05-26-2016, 04:43 PM   #113
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Old 05-26-2016, 10:18 PM   #114
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Old 05-27-2016, 07:16 AM   #115
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Enjoy the time with the kids (both kinds) they don't stay small for long.

I agree, you can never get time back. Spend as much time with your kids as you can. Buses come and go every day but the kids are what you're doing it all for.
And yes, that is an awesome smoker!
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Old 05-27-2016, 07:50 AM   #116
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Impressive. Very impressive, Sir.

Regarding height, wind, and handling....

I drove 18-wheelers for 27 years, mostly pulling 53-foot vans, and I was mighty close to blowing over a couple times on I-80 in Wyoming when I had very lightweight Kellogg's cereal loads. But the worst was one time in Oklahoma with the trailer empty -- pretty sure I had daylight under the left trailer tires for a moment.

Millicent, with her two-foot roof raise, has not been in anything like such winds, but I feel I still understand the basics of driving her. And the fundamental concept is that a bus is no more a car than an 18-wheeler is. You simply must drive a bus as if you are your own grandma. Slow waaaayyyy down for any curve. Never change lanes if you can help it. If a dog runs out in front of you... simply drive right thru it -- don't even twitch a finger on that steering wheel.

By driving Millicent pretty much the way I drove 18-wheelers, I do not expect any difficulty -- even if I raise the roof another foot or so, which I am considering doing. And at the current height we have put 56,950 miles on her so far.

Last year I loaded her past the axle ratings, and the weight was fairly high in the rear cargo compartment. Basically, I had Stuff made of steel stacked to the ceiling. And the living quarters were piled almost as severely -- I had to climb on top of tool chests, lumber, and much else heavy stuff to get to the bathroom midships.

This made for noticeably trickier handling, especially leaning in curves. I drove accordingly -- like great-great-grandma this time.

I don't think I can possibly emphasize enough the importance of driving appropriately for the vehicle and load.

At the trucking company I sometimes trained new drivers, and some of them scared me severely. They had not yet understood what they were driving, and they flew into curves as if they were in a sports car. With a fleet of 200 - 250 trucks, and a severe shortage of experienced drivers, we had one laid over on an exit ramp or other curve about once a month.

I appreciate mathematics. It gets "fun" with wind having increasing leverage for each unit of vehicle-height, and also the diminishing angle to the opposite side tires (as referred to earlier), which increases the tipping force even more. Studying this would no doubt be educational. But what the driver of a tall bus really needs is the realization that he must use both his gut and his brain every second the bus is in motion.

That concludes the sermon. Please help yourself to cookies and tea in the vestibule.
What it comes down to is they're buses (aka truck chassis), not sports cars and must be driven as such. There was a spate of commercial coach bus crashes recently in NJ and NY from the drivers driving them way too fast. In every one of the crashes the coaches rolled over and people were killed and seriously injured. These drivers just don't understand you can't drive a 40,000lb vehicle like a car. My daughter is only 12 and already knows to give semi's, trucks and any other large vehicle room when we're driving. She's just picked it up from me complaining while driving when we see idiots pull right in front of trucks with no idea of the amount of time it takes a truck to stop and the huge weight they are. At least she'll be well informed when she gets her license in 4 or 5 years. Don't even get me started on everyone driving distracted because of modern technology, doing their makeup, eating, etc!
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:52 AM   #117
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Got to get back out on the bus while its cool so ill be brief. Working in a steel tube when its 110 in the shade sucks so ive gone nocturnal. Stubed plumbing and electric in.

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Old 06-21-2016, 10:23 AM   #118
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I love the guys with the fifth wheel campers...they tear those cardboard trailers apart and I don't think many of them even knew it hit. Imagine getting to the campground and seeing your a/c units, antenna and everything else gone...
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:43 PM   #119
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Rear corner pillers in place. You can also see how I delt with the whole backend

The rubber strip that the factory put in the seams that is reminiscent of the inertube strips that the guy at Ace recomended.

Rik trying to be a vato. Got all the new steel primed. Most of the existing steel was galvenized.

Things look so bright and shinny in side with the silver metalic primer on......and with the tarps off

Night pic

Outside after priming. You can see the homemade D tube that we made for the front corner pillers.

The infamous Aluminum skin being beaten in to shape. Used my 1,000 yard target for an anvil to keep it flat.
Whoah that thing is massively tall!

What is your total height from the ground? I suspect short bridges are going to be a problem for you!
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Old 07-16-2016, 12:49 AM   #120
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I hate laying wires.... that is all
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