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Old 08-04-2015, 10:25 AM   #71
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Good progress on the bus, and really like the new driver seat
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Old 08-04-2015, 05:20 PM   #72
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thanks browncrown, i view your build quite often and very envious of how catchy and clever your name is with your bus. As ours is still a no-name. I love the new seat too, best thing about it was that it was free...and two of them.
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Old 08-04-2015, 05:35 PM   #73
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So after visiting the local metal shop, the price was a tad bit more expensive than i had thought as I've never actually purchased metal before, just scrapped it. will be about $27 for a 2x2" angle iron 3/16" thick by 20' which will be to replace the beams by the wheel well that is sitting on top of the two main beams of the chassis and underneath the metal floor. the sheet metal which was $50 for a sheet 6'x8' of 16ga. They do not sell the sheet metal in a smaller size so i will use the leftovers to cover windows i don't need which i will probably actually have to go back and get another one to finish them up. so I'm looking at about $100 worth of metal, which now that i think about it, doesn't seem to be that bad. Was not really expecting this to be a full restoration project but that's what it has become, i do not like to do things half ass. I started this thinking i'd have the bus for maybe 3 years in good condition but it seems as if with all this getting done, will last hopefully 7 years after the projected 1 1/2 year build.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:15 PM   #74
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You're going to enjoy a full restoration project It's a fun challenge and I think, very rewarding. Looking forward to following along with progress. As for a name...it will hit you when it hits you and will reflect your project
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:55 PM   #75
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So after visiting the local metal shop, the price was a tad bit more expensive than i had thought as I've never actually purchased metal before, just scrapped it. will be about $27 for a 2x2" angle iron 3/16" thick by 20' which will be to replace the beams by the wheel well that is sitting on top of the two main beams of the chassis and underneath the metal floor. the sheet metal which was $50 for a sheet 6'x8' of 16ga. They do not sell the sheet metal in a smaller size so i will use the leftovers to cover windows i don't need which i will probably actually have to go back and get another one to finish them up. so I'm looking at about $100 worth of metal, which now that i think about it, doesn't seem to be that bad. Was not really expecting this to be a full restoration project but that's what it has become, i do not like to do things half ass. I started this thinking i'd have the bus for maybe 3 years in good condition but it seems as if with all this getting done, will last hopefully 7 years after the projected 1 1/2 year build.

You appear to have the same rot that I had in my Thomas. I, too, replaced some floor beams, but I used 2 1/4"x2 1/4"x1/8" square tubing which appeared to be what was used by the factory. That price seems about right, though. It doesn't seem terribly high.. Maybe you're just coming from the 2x4 lumber world?
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:47 PM   #76
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It is very hard to find a name that fits yet, i feel like its harder to name a bus than it is a unborn child. (we have no kids)

lol, you are completely right about coming from the lumber world, thats gotta be why. Mine were also square tubes as well, but didnt look like they were put there when it was made in thefactory because they were the only two that were not angle irons and had welds on them as if they had been put there as a replacement sometime. then it got in my head it would be a bad idea to put square tube there because if any moisture, salt, dirt got in to the tube it would stay in there and would accelerate the rust process, which is what i could see happened to the ones i took off. So i figure the rest are all angle irons why not keep it that way.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:10 PM   #77
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If yours is anything like mine (and I expect it is) the whole floor is made up of width-oriented C-channel pieces, each welded together. From below it looks like an upside down T. Mine wasn't angle. Perhaps you're seeing the end of the C-channel pieces?

I agree that the reason the beams rotted out so fast was because they were holding salt, slush, sand, etc.. It certainly is a design flaw. I made sure all of my ends were capped and welded shut to prevent such a thing from happening again any time soon. I also painted them inside and out and put a 1/8" hole at the bottom of both ends to drain out any water that might somehow make its way in there. I'm confident that the new pieces will outlast the rest of the metal down there .

I think angle could be made to work just fine, though. If you look up and down the bottom of your bus you'll probably see a beam about every 4 feet. Those beams are tied into the side structure, creating a ladder-like structure. Additionally (and I think most importantly), you'll notice that between the frame rails and those beams there is a rubber puck. My guess is that the engineers put the beams under there to support a good chunk of the body weight against the frames, instead of relying entirely on the flanges of the floor pieces. As long as the angle pieces were oriented so that a flat side is down against a rubber puck against the frame I'd guess that you'd have the same strength as a square tube, especially if you're going 3/16" thick! That's some hefty stuff.

The truth is, it probably won't make any noticeable difference in the end. I don't think any of us on here have put enough weight inside to equate to a fully loaded school bus. Personally, I just like the peace of mind of making sure it's equal or better to how the engineers initially intended.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:13 PM   #78
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Mine were also square tubes as well, but didnt look like they were put there when it was made in thefactory because they were the only two that were not angle irons and had welds on them as if they had been put there as a replacement sometime.
I just re-read that.. That is strange. Mine are all square tube, but it looked like they were from the factory. It takes a good deal of work to replace them. I can't see a school district tackling it, but who knows! Maybe under the angle iron lie the remains of a rusted out square tube? Or maybe back in '92 they were tinkering with the two options.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:08 PM   #79
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that was a very helpful read! because i had thought that they put 2 angle irons together and flipped them to make the T upside down, now i cant remember and will have to take a closer look. thankfully i haven't bought the metal yet, just got a quote on it at the storefront, as i only had my car. every one did have those two rubber pucks on the frame, the ones i took out had square ones that looked cut by hand as if replaced as well. The bus was driven buy one guy its whole life from what i heard and he took very good care of it and kept it after the bus company said it had a touch of surface rust so out of commission it went, he collected too much stuff, and had to sell it. There are quite a bit of people around here that don't live in town with school buses at their farms, as if they somehow drive for the company but keep the bus themselves? not sure how that works out, never knew a school bus driver.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:10 PM   #80
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and i believe 92' is the year navistar somehow entered international and ours has a mix of some 91' and 92' so it could be tinkering. no clue, but very eager to find info out.
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