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Old 08-26-2015, 12:15 AM   #11
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anyone remove the "lower" panels of the walls? the part with the chair rail on it?

I've removed a couple of the rivets and gotten it to flex, but I'm having trouble figuring out where it comes out...

I don't want to tear out unnecessary structure but, I'd really like to not need to contend with the chair rail along during the rebuild.

I've searched and found nothing, any insight would be appreciated.

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Old 08-26-2015, 12:26 AM   #12
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I don't think you want to remove the lower part. Nat has had a bus apart to that level and I am pretty sure he would say the same thing.
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Old 08-26-2015, 01:21 AM   #13
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Yes, do not remove the chair rail.

Is is part of the structure. The chair rail carries the entire load of the walls and roof, and transfers it to the floor in a manor that allows the body to flex, preventing metal from cracking and tearing apart.

Here is a diagram I made to help folks understand how their bus is put together.



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Old 08-26-2015, 11:47 AM   #14
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Nat, very helpful!

I figured it went something like that but, could not find any definitive answers. looked at pictures and never saw them removed, but wasn't sure if that was personal preference or whatever.

unfortunately, I've already ground down several of the rivets on one side...but she's still sturdy. I may need to practice my rosette welds for my floor anyways...

Thanks for the help!
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Old 08-26-2015, 01:37 PM   #15
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I'm late to the party.. but here's a picture of the back side of the chair rail from my bus. I completely removed the exterior skin. The "chair rail" is one big Z-shape piece. It's the gray panel that fills 60% of this photo. Its top edge is just above the midpoint of the frame, about an inch down you see the folds where it bends into the bus interior and then returns (creating the "chair rail" itself), then the panel continues to the floor where it bends 90 degrees and comes horizontally out away from the bus, then another 90 degree bend to continue downward. That little ledge that the hat channel/rib/roof bow sits in is bolted to the Z-sections under the floor.


Initially I wanted to cut the chair rail away, but having understood the structure better I can see that it makes the whole assembly much more rigid. Instead of cutting it away, I'll probably insulate the walls thick enough to make the flange disappear into the wall.
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:14 PM   #16
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Thanks for the tips, guys. I'm going to leave it, and repair the rivets I've popped out. Wasn't really clear of head the last few days. I should have posted my question before when I wasn't sure.

Anyways, on to some further demo:

I just took my angle grinder along the window "drip rail?" to cut the top of the walls. This gave me access to the insulation behind and I'll go back later to cut out the little strips that are left, or maybe I'll just leave them...they'll never be seen again after I cover them...



Went ahead and decided to remove the windows while I was at it. I've got about another month before the snow starts hitting but, should be above freezing during the day well into late october. I'm going to sandblast and paint the inside, epoxy holes and mechanically patch a few rust spots that I know need work. Besides, half of the windows were inop anyways...good thing is my bus has a twin that's about to go to the local fire dept. for training. I'm pretty sure I can talk those guys into letting me gut a few of the windows before they burn it down...poor bus.

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Old 08-31-2015, 02:56 PM   #17
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Got the remainder of the walls out, and the last two pieces of subfloor. I think I'm going to leave everything forward of the first dividers to feel just like a schoolbus, maybe turn it into a mudroom later down the line. When I build my wall there, I'll add a pocket door with a lock just for some extra security to the main cabin.

anyways, here are the pictures after my dump run on Saturday. There is a little bit more rust than I had hoped, but overall not too bad. And I just don't have the heart to tear up under the drivers seat and all that right now.




Probably going to be my last update for a week or so. My parents are coming in from Florida this week and I haven't sorted out the paint for after its sand blasted. I may work on the wiring a bit just to straighten things out a bit. We'll see what I have the time/energy for.

Until next time, Cheers!

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Old 08-31-2015, 03:13 PM   #18
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Thats sort of my plan too.
From my windshield back about four or five feet is going to be the cab/mud room. Keep the great pics coming.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:10 AM   #19
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Old 09-03-2015, 09:09 PM   #20
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Same here with the mud room. We have kept the rubber mat up front to about a foot or so of the doghouse. At the end of the mat will be a gate that will go straight across from the entertainment center to the couch on the other side.

The gate will stay flush with the entertainment center (like a door) until we stop & need to confine the dogs inside. This will allow Clint to be able to move about and out the stairs while Prancer (who insist on being with Clint always) will be restricted (hopefully unless he learns to jump over it) to the bus when we stop for gas, emergencies etc.

I can't post pics yet cause it's still only in our heads and not built yet. I envision having it deep enough for Clint to be able to store things that he might need to grab as he was going out the door.
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