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05-20-2017, 02:02 PM
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#61
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 158
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Originally Posted by Robin97396
I've also been wanting to change my seating quality. I still use my bus seats for the passenger area, especially since they already have the seatbelts on them. A nice captain's chair to replace the OEM driver's seat is my goal.
I was surprised to see that you did not get the flat floor version of your bus. Having those wheel wells gone from the floor really helps.
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It's not easy to get everything you want in a bus. Floor space is key. A flat floor version? I'll look.
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05-20-2017, 03:31 PM
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#62
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Yes, a flat floor version like the one I've got. No wheel wells whatsoever inside. Just a big metal box with wheels and a flat floor.
These handi-buses usually have the 19.5" wheels, as compared to the more frequent 22.5" wheels. I have a mid sized (26') FE that has about 40% more floor space than a 25' dognose shorty. It's my first flat floor bus and my first FE.
There are both, FE and dognose handi buses in the medium length.
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Nobody's Business
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05-20-2017, 03:36 PM
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#63
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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My WC bus isn't a flat floor, but its got wide aisles and wide stairs up front.
It came with 19.5's but the school switched over to 22.5's at some point.
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05-20-2017, 03:58 PM
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#64
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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A lot of buses have a lift. The buses that have L-track throughout the entire bus floor have flat floors.
I checked my rear tire clearance to see if I could possibly use larger wheels. There was only about 2" between the top of the tire and the floor of the bus. No wonder these ride rough. The suspension has got to be quite stiff to keep the tires from rubbing the underside of the floor, and there were no rub marks.
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05-25-2017, 08:44 AM
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New Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Hammond, LA
Posts: 7
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Disbus,
I will be following your thread with great interest. My wife is disabled and we have just about decided on a bus build for my retirement. I wish you were closer to Louisiana so I could help with your project and learn some stuff.
A flat floor bus sounds interesting, I was wondering about dealing with the wheel wheels I see in so many photos.
We currently have a Toyota Van with the ramp and EZ-Lock for my wife's chair. I am currently building an electric off road capable scooter so she can enjoy some of the trails in the parks we visit.
Good luck,
"CX"
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05-25-2017, 11:00 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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The flat floor buses seem to come in medium and shorty lengths. The easiest way to identify them is the comparatively low capacity rating, i.e. 14 passenger rated bus that would normally be a 30+ person capacity bus. These handi-buses have 19.5" wheels compared to the more common 22.5" to allow for the flat floor. These are most common with the WC lift in the rear, but I've seen variations occasionally with the lift mounted behind the front axle.
I have a FE model, but flat floor buses are also available in medium sized dognose buses. Narrowing you bus choices will probably cost you some time, but they're out there. It changes your build options.
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05-26-2017, 12:55 PM
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#67
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ConductorX
Disbus,
I will be following your thread with great interest. My wife is disabled and we have just about decided on a bus build for my retirement. I wish you were closer to Louisiana so I could help with your project and learn some stuff.
A flat floor bus sounds interesting, I was wondering about dealing with the wheel wheels I see in so many photos.
We currently have a Toyota Van with the ramp and EZ-Lock for my wife's chair. I am currently building an electric off road capable scooter so she can enjoy some of the trails in the parks we visit.
Good luck,
"CX"
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Ok, great. Let me know if you have any ideas. I drove it through Louisiana on my way home.
Since my wife and i both use manual wheelchairs i need to be able to get to things. I need to make sure i can service it, get to connections, fix fuses, pipe leaks, etc.
I'm currently mounting the driver's seat base and installing a permanent hand control. I have sourced a linear actuator for the side door where the wheelchair lift is. I have a five function remote key fob setup for it. I will be able to control the whole bus much like a regular wheelchair van only bigger.
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05-26-2017, 01:06 PM
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#68
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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I'm very interested in hand controls. Ignorant question- has anyone ever heard of someone using hand controls out of preference? I just hate keeping the pedal on the floor with my foot. Would be GREAT to be able to relax my legs while I'm driving, especially on the interstate.
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05-26-2017, 01:45 PM
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#69
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I think most people just run cruise control for that as long as they dont need hand controls for a disability.. if you are talking on your mechanical bus, electric servo cruise controls exist that can run off the speed cable for the speedometer (or sensor if its electric).. and attaches to your pedal..
even people that I know with full hand control vehicles use cruise as much as possible..
-Christopher
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05-26-2017, 02:13 PM
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#70
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: pa
Posts: 2,498
Year: 98
Coachwork: 1. Corbeil & 2. Thomas
Chassis: 1 ford 1998 e350 4x4 7.3 2 mercedes 2004
Engine: 7.3 powerstroke & MBE906
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Hello disbus,
I am looking into converting a slf bus into a disabled bus. This is for my Mom who is 95 and in a wheel chair. It needs also a shower and toilet usable for her.
see my request for information thread
I want to be able to get her out of the bus quickly and so was looking into slf buses. They have air suspension and can kneel with a ramp.
did you look into something like that? if you did and you decided against then please share.
Thanks J
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05-27-2017, 12:59 PM
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#71
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I'm very interested in hand controls. Ignorant question- has anyone ever heard of someone using hand controls out of preference? I just hate keeping the pedal on the floor with my foot. Would be GREAT to be able to relax my legs while I'm driving, especially on the interstate.
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Is there an aftermarket cruise control setup available? Retrofit?
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05-27-2017, 01:06 PM
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#72
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack5
Hello disbus,
I am looking into converting a slf bus into a disabled bus. This is for my Mom who is 95 and in a wheel chair. It needs also a shower and toilet usable for her.
see my request for information thread
I want to be able to get her out of the bus quickly and so was looking into slf buses. They have air suspension and can kneel with a ramp.
did you look into something like that? if you did and you decided against then please share.
Thanks J
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A used transit bus of some kind, a shorter one, typically with a cutaway chassis from Ford or GM, etc. They often have kneeling mechanisms. But no mechanism can truly be relied on in an emergency. Always have an accessible path to an emergency exit.
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05-27-2017, 01:08 PM
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#73
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disbus
Is there an aftermarket cruise control setup available? Retrofit?
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On many electronically controlled buses, the computer has the cruise control programmed in from the factory, it is merely disabled by the software (as the factory did not install the necessary switches). Appropriate switches will have to be added, but from my understanding, the software enable is relatively easy for those with the appropriate equipment.
Mine, being an older, all-mechanical style engine, simply has a "throttle lock" which I can pull out to whatever throttle setting I desire. My bus has A/C, so I assume it was "idled up" to keep the AC cooling. I see no reason it couldn't be used as a cruise control, of sorts.
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05-27-2017, 01:17 PM
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#74
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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disbus - what type of bus do you have? you can install an automotive type electric servo cruise control on a mechanical Bus...
like brad mentions if you have an electronic bus like a navistar DT-466E / T-444E. the cruise buttons are usually already o nthe dash and may or may not be enabled..
on other electronic busses you can still install an electric servo based cruise control and have it actuate the foot pedal..
Vintage-Air makes an add-on electric servo cruise control.. most of them you can attach a device to a cable driven speedometer.. or if you have an electric speedometer you can piggy-back off of that sensor... Dakota-Digital makes a signal converter that can turn any speed sensor into the signal your cruise control would need..
-Christopher
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05-27-2017, 01:32 PM
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#75
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disbus
Is there an aftermarket cruise control setup available? Retrofit?
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I have cruise in my shorty. But my mechanical 92 takes ALL my muscles to keep the pedal to the floor on the highway. I'm just wondering if I wouldn't prefer to get rid of all that footwork and go for a hand setup.
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05-27-2017, 01:37 PM
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#76
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,264
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: IH
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
I have cruise in my shorty. But my mechanical 92 takes ALL my muscles to keep the pedal to the floor on the highway. I'm just wondering if I wouldn't prefer to get rid of all that footwork and go for a hand setup.
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Probably not. You'd just end up with a fatigued hand.
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05-27-2017, 01:55 PM
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#77
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad_SwiftFur
Probably not. You'd just end up with a fatigued hand.
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Well my legs can't take long road trips, and I have extremely strong hands. I'm missing half a quadricep and have psoriatic arthritis in my feet.
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05-27-2017, 07:38 PM
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#78
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
disbus - what type of bus do you have? you can install an automotive type electric servo cruise control on a mechanical Bus...
like brad mentions if you have an electronic bus like a navistar DT-466E / T-444E. the cruise buttons are usually already o nthe dash and may or may not be enabled..
on other electronic busses you can still install an electric servo based cruise control and have it actuate the foot pedal..
Vintage-Air makes an add-on electric servo cruise control.. most of them you can attach a device to a cable driven speedometer.. or if you have an electric speedometer you can piggy-back off of that sensor... Dakota-Digital makes a signal converter that can turn any speed sensor into the signal your cruise control would need..
-Christopher
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My bus is a 2003 Blue Bird TC2000 with a 5.9 Cummins and Alison 545 transmission. My mechanic says it has an older fuel pump?
But yes it has cruise control. Works good.
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05-27-2017, 09:32 PM
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#79
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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" But yes it has cruise control. Works good."
I WANT one!!!
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05-28-2017, 12:48 AM
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#80
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disbus
My bus is a 2003 Blue Bird TC2000 with a 5.9 Cummins and Alison 545 transmission. My mechanic says it has an older fuel pump?
But yes it has cruise control. Works good.
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Are you sure it is a 5.9L and AT545? By 2003 every bus I ever saw was totally electronic so the Cummins would have been an ISB and the Allison would have been a 2000 or 3000 series transmission.
Particularly since it has cruise control I just don't think you have a mechanical engine.
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