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Old 04-27-2008, 12:10 AM   #31
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Re: Bus #2... saved and with a new home

The windows turned out nice. I'd really think twice about pulling out that plywood. Imagine installing your furniture only to discover that your wood needs to be removed? Ugh. I pulled mine out and coated the floor with rust proofer then did the felt paper, insulation and new osb.
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:27 AM   #32
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How long do you wanna keep this bus? Only a couple years? Then i would say forget about the plywood and just put something on top. However if this is going to be a bus that should stay with you for 10 years (10 years inst really that long) or more I would pull out the boards and do something with the metal floor. Like painting with rostoleum or Por-15 or so.
I'm sure under those boards it looks similar to what we found.


Also judging by the pictures of your inside walls I would guess that most of your windows are leaking, not visible to you but if you pull the inside panels away i make a bet that your yellow insulation is all wet and moist. And once that stuff is wet it will stay wet.
Not to discourage you but if you want it to last prep work is the most important.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:06 PM   #33
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Woot...another Washingtonian! Yea for green slime! Nice bus...good specs; do they have any more?

Now that you've gotten a floorplan out of your head and onto paper you need to do some investigation. Print that puppy out and crawl under the bus with a tape and start figuring out what's in the way...or not.

For starters you've got the kitchen sink on the right side but the shower and bath sink on the left side. How is water going to get from the water tank to each side of the bus? How many grey water tanks are you going to have? If one, how does the waste water get from one side of the bus to the other? Is there room under the bus for the black water tank directly under (or darn close) to where the toilet is? Where are the wheelwells in relationship to the interior layout?

If someone is working in the galley is there enough room to bend over to open the oven or get into the cabinets? Is there enough room for someone to pass to get to the bathroom?

These are not critisisms at all but just thoughts and something to ponder. There are always compromises; you just have to find the ones that work for you. Have fun!
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:24 PM   #34
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Thanks to all for the great advice and thoughts. I DEFINITELY take them all to heart and am thinking things through. Unfortunately, the weather here has been so rotten, it's impossible to work on the outside, and it's so cold and wet, even working on the inside has been a pain.

Incidentally, the District has another bus for sale. It's a flat nose 1983 Blue Bird, 81 passenger cap., with a Cat 3208 and Allison 643 tranny. I've only looked at the outside, but this one definitely looks clean and nice! I was told it has under 200,000 miles. I believe they're looking at getting $3-4000 for it. If anyone is interested, let me know.
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Old 05-01-2008, 12:02 PM   #35
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Uhhh.... Houston, we have a problem.

I managed to clear this out using only my fingers and a screwdriver. Time for some new plywood, I think. On the plus side, the metal floor underneath is spotless- no rust, just nice, shiny, original paint.

And thanks again for all the suggestions, everyone. I think what I'm going to do for now is just finish the sides and floor, then worry about the walls/dividers/etc. So... some nice wood trim up to the windows, then some carpet on the floor. That should give me a chance to get a better perspective about things.
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Old 05-04-2008, 12:41 AM   #36
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Given that my climate is a lot cooler than most anyone else, and the fact that "simple is better," I'm going with a black exterior with gray/silver trim.

I've looked through the gallery a lot, and I think that black is the way to go... if you can get away with it climate-wise (and I can).

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I'm either doing a a deep dark blue or black as well.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:30 AM   #38
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Uhhh.... Houston, we have a problem.

I managed to clear this out using only my fingers and a screwdriver. Time for some new plywood, I think. On the plus side, the metal floor underneath is spotless- no rust, just nice, shiny, original paint.

And thanks again for all the suggestions, everyone. I think what I'm going to do for now is just finish the sides and floor, then worry about the walls/dividers/etc. So... some nice wood trim up to the windows, then some carpet on the floor. That should give me a chance to get a better perspective about things.
Ahh yes, the dreaded rusty floor. I remember it well....
I used a wire wheel on my angle grinder to really get some of the rust up as well as sanding discs for it too, whew, what a mess it made! Wear goggles, eyes protection and ear plugs if you have sensitive ears. It had to look funny seeing a cloud of rust dust flowing out of my rig when I was in there. lol
Sweep and or shop vac it up afterwards and use some good anti rust paint, you may need 2 coats. I put 30# felt paper over my metal floor followed by insulation and then osb board.

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Old 05-06-2008, 09:19 PM   #39
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I've pulled up the worst piece of plywood, and danged if it wasn't in pretty good shape!

One corner was rotted out, for sure, but the rest of it was in amazing condition. And looking under, I see a bit of rust, but it appears that is due to the bolts and nails going through the floor. In fact, the floor under the rotted corner had absolutely no rust whatever. Just a freshly painted surface.

Once I got the rest of it cleaned up, voila! A nice (mostly) painted surface with very little rust. So... the rest of the plywood stays. I'll replace the one bad sheet and call it good.

What is this metal under here, anyway? It looks like either tin or stainless. It look almost immaculate!
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So after a year of ownership i began removing the floor--using wccawa as my inspiration (now you say you only had a bad piece of plywood and the rest of the floor is good?)

Which brings me to the question of floor removal. It's much harder work than removing the seats. I started by removing the rubber from the plywood behind the rear wheels, under the assumption that I would then remove the screws from the plywood and easily lift it up. It's a bitch to scrape the rubber up (used heat gun and chisel). Plywood was not screwed it was nailed. Screw the rubber, found a 6 foot wreccking bar and pryed up the plywood and rubber together--much quicker, though 55 year-old back has a differnt opinion.

Now throughout this operation I debated the question of to remove the floor or just get on with the conversion. My conclusion is screw the floor and get to the fun stuff. How long are you going to use the bus?

On my bus there was signifcant rust and wet plywood, though it would of worked fine for 5 plus years.

Next stop--the dump.
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