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Old 02-09-2017, 11:01 PM   #1
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Bus 52 Conversion begins

My bus is a 1992 Ward Senator on International Chassis, with DT466 Diesel and Allison transmission. Drove her home on February 3rd 2017 and started work. This will be a straight-forward post, just a few pictures to show what I'm starting with, then I'll add more info and more pics as I go along for anyone interested. Please feel free to ask questions and I'll answer with what I can. I don't know a lot about these buses but I'm a fast learner. I'm also looking for any schematics, service manuals, etc. so that I can learn more and be better able to work on my bus. I guess my first objective is cleanup and organize what I have so I will know where to start with the conversion. I'm attaching a picture of my bus, and some pictures from the inside to show what it was like when I bought it. I've cleaned it up considerably already and will post more pictures soon.

I live in Somerset, Kentucky, work full time and will be doing the conversion during my off-hours and weekends. I have some supplies saved up and ready to use and will buy what else I need as I go along. I've already decided against blackwater tank and will use a composting toilet system of some sort. I will also have a shower and will have to put in a graywater tank for that and sink drainage. The bus has the 2 floor heaters running off engine coolant. I haven't tried to use those yet. It also has air brakes which are totally new to me, but I learned enough to know what to watch out for and how to use them safely from my state's CDL manual. I don't have a CDL and may consider getting it a little later. The bus has 144k miles on it. Please feel free to ask any questions, give any advice, etc. Thanks for reading/looking!
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:42 PM   #2
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Very cool bus. I'll be watching your build! Mine is the next year a 93 Amtran Genesis. EastCoastcb is doing a roof raise on his 92 Ward this weekend.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:05 AM   #3
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Thanks! I looked at a 93 Genesis and would have bought it but when I tried to go see it and purchase, the seller flaked and I couldn't get in touch with them. I considered a roof raise but I don't think I have the necessary equipment and experience to do that so I opted to leave it for now. I'll definitely check out both projects!
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:23 AM   #4
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Nice to see another Senator. Oh, what fine buses!
Once you get the nasty insulation out and fix all the leaks, that is!

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Old 02-11-2017, 07:14 PM   #5
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Yep, I love it already! I pulled down 4 13-gallon bags of insulation and went back over it with a scrub brush to get all the little bits down so the roof is clean now. I wore a particulate mask with filters good for asbestos, insulation, etc. I then went over it with my little 1 gallon shopvac and sucked up all the insulation off the seats and parts of the floor. The seats were a mangled mess in the back and I couldn't even walk to the back door so I set them back up along the rails and pushed them really close together to take up less space, and so I could see what I've got. I need to decide if I'm going to keep any of them for road seats while driving for wife and daughter. Quite a few are in very good shape with only 5 or 6 with small holes/tears and 1 with an end seam split open.

So far, the only leaks I've found are around my strobe light on the back, which is right behind my back hatch. I'm going to get the ladder in there soon and remove that. The second leak is the front hatch. It's in horrible shape and is probably original. Seems to be cracked somewhere to let water inside it which then leaks around the knob which opens the emergency part.

I didn't take the wall panels off yet. I'm not sure if I want to, at least for a while. I did remove my stop sign today, and unplugged all the emergency exit switches so the buzzers aren't sounding off now. I'll try to take some more pictures tomorrow of the progress and get them posted.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:08 PM   #6
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Got it out today and drove to the pumps first, dropped $100 in diesel and then drove it downtown to our Sheriff's office to see about inspection. I'm having an issue with my title and the VIN number. I can only find 1 sticker on the area above driver's seat with a VIN number on it, but that's not good enough for inspection. I've searched all the usual locations I could come up with but can't find an actual VIN plate riveted to anything or stamped. Anyone have any ideas on VIN plate location for the 92's?

I left the Sheriff's office and went back to the elementary/high school parking lots and did some driving practice. Still getting used to those wide turns but I've done very well so far.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:54 AM   #7
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Here are a few pics after cleanup, sorting around the seats, and removing my stop sign. My next move is to get rid of the extra seats, the metal panels that came off the ceiling, and the rubber floor covering.
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Looks so much like mine. I got it in Elkton. Mine's #50!
So cool, our buses are brothers!
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:52 PM   #9
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Yep, I love it already! I pulled down 4 13-gallon bags of insulation and went back over it with a scrub brush to get all the little bits down so the roof is clean now. I wore a particulate mask with filters good for asbestos, insulation, etc. I then went over it with my little 1 gallon shopvac and sucked up all the insulation off the seats and parts of the floor. The seats were a mangled mess in the back and I couldn't even walk to the back door so I set them back up along the rails and pushed them really close together to take up less space, and so I could see what I've got. I need to decide if I'm going to keep any of them for road seats while driving for wife and daughter. Quite a few are in very good shape with only 5 or 6 with small holes/tears and 1 with an end seam split open.

So far, the only leaks I've found are around my strobe light on the back, which is right behind my back hatch. I'm going to get the ladder in there soon and remove that. The second leak is the front hatch. It's in horrible shape and is probably original. Seems to be cracked somewhere to let water inside it which then leaks around the knob which opens the emergency part.

I didn't take the wall panels off yet. I'm not sure if I want to, at least for a while. I did remove my stop sign today, and unplugged all the emergency exit switches so the buzzers aren't sounding off now. I'll try to take some more pictures tomorrow of the progress and get them posted.
Yeah my strobe leaked horribly. The roof hatches too. Those hatches are REALLY cheap and flimsy.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:41 PM   #10
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Yeah my strobe leaked horribly. The roof hatches too. Those hatches are REALLY cheap and flimsy.
Must be common for the strobes to leak like a sieve, I know mind did...
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