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Old 06-16-2019, 09:42 PM   #141
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Compressor goes to about 120, but I only had the sender[sic] at 90, which is what it lists as max psi. As for the back shattering, that doesn't have compressed air anywhere, just spring loaded. I found the springs about halfway across the yard as well...

I don't think it was the mandrel shooting off too fast. It comes out after releasing the trigger, which I hadn't yet, and the mandrel is actually presently stuck in the riveter still.

From what I can tell, the 1/4 riveters are much better built than the 3/16, so I'd be very surprised if you have the same issues.
Well, now I have a mandrel stuck in my riveter as well. I made one attempt at driving a rivet after getting the pressure up; the rivet was only very slightly deformed and slightly bent to one side, and now that mandrel is completely stuck in the riveter.

I tried disassembling my riveter and I see what you mean about the springs now. I'm going to have a bitch of a time reassembling this, although I may just take it as it is back to Harbor Freight.
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:16 AM   #142
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:01 AM   #143
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Well, now I have a mandrel stuck in my riveter as well. I made one attempt at driving a rivet after getting the pressure up; the rivet was only very slightly deformed and slightly bent to one side, and now that mandrel is completely stuck in the riveter.

I tried disassembling my riveter and I see what you mean about the springs now. I'm going to have a bitch of a time reassembling this, although I may just take it as it is back to Harbor Freight.
Noooooo! I cursed it for you!

I did indeed add hydraulic oil prior to using it, with that PITA tiny wrench on a cap that may as well have been welded on. The only difference between them is that the first one I made the classic mistake of filling the oil up to the threads. At least, I was trying to until I noticed it was dumping all of the oil out.

I dropped by HF again today to talk to them about it. We came to the agreement that they would give me another and if it fails, then we'll make some noise in HQ about it and I'll get my money back. I'm hoping that this one will be similar to the first one I got and hold up long enough to finish the job. At this point, all I need to do is go and secure the side panels, which is many fewer than the first one was able to do.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:03 AM   #144
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Unfortunately a quality rivet gun costs a bit of money. We use one regularly at work for stainless steel rivets and it cost around $370 from McMaster Carr. I looked some up at Grainger since they have a store in Norfolk and they have some nice ones for less than $200. Look at the General Duty ones in the link below.
https://www.grainger.com/search?sear...searchBar=true
Quite a bit of money indeed! Looks like you can spend up to $5k easily on a single riveter on there. I suppose if you need to do a lot of rivets and want a tool that will survive it, you get what you pay for!
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:07 PM   #145
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Noooooo! I cursed it for you!

I did indeed add hydraulic oil prior to using it, with that PITA tiny wrench on a cap that may as well have been welded on. The only difference between them is that the first one I made the classic mistake of filling the oil up to the threads. At least, I was trying to until I noticed it was dumping all of the oil out.

I dropped by HF again today to talk to them about it. We came to the agreement that they would give me another and if it fails, then we'll make some noise in HQ about it and I'll get my money back. I'm hoping that this one will be similar to the first one I got and hold up long enough to finish the job. At this point, all I need to do is go and secure the side panels, which is many fewer than the first one was able to do.
Crap, I got a replacement 1/4" riveter from HF and I'm now able to drive aluminum 1/4" rivets but it fails on the stainless steel ones. I have a feeling this crappy pancake compressor of mine can't deliver sufficient air for this.
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:56 PM   #146
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Crap, I got a replacement 1/4" riveter from HF and I'm now able to drive aluminum 1/4" rivets but it fails on the stainless steel ones. I have a feeling this crappy pancake compressor of mine can't deliver sufficient air for this.
Shouldn't be the compressor. I'm running a 4-gal (I think) pancake and it's fine.

The gun I got this morning failed on the third rivet. The back end popped off AGAIN. Hit me in the arm this time, so I've got a nice welt. I did some looking around and the only other option for me for a QUALITY rivet gun was to order one through HD, Lowes, or Amazon, all involving waiting at least a few days. With a good amount of FuckThis-itis and NeedToBeDone-opathy, I headed back to HF to see if they would let me grab YET ANOTHER gun to get the job done. Long story short, they did, and this gun (so far) has held up through 20-30 rivets. The trigger leaks and it's requiring 2 pulls when the other guns all required one, but the rivets are solid and the gun hasn't broken.

What follows is anecdotal at best, and absolute bullshit voodoo at worst.
I noticed a difference between the guns at HF. I was opening the boxes and looking at the backs, and I saw two different kinds. There was the one shown here in the graphic:

and the other kind, that had two backs break on me, lacked the teeth on the back. See red arrow here:

I inspected the insides and noticed that the ones I had broken on me lacked the teeth, where this one I have now has the teeth and also appears to have bearings on the back.
This is at this time uncorroborated by my wife but, if true, it appears that there are two qualities of these guns currently around, ones that have bearings and ones that will break the back in a few rivets. The backs that broke had evidence that the pulling mechanism had come off center and punched out the back casing during the pull.
/voodoo

I'm waiting for my wife to get home from work in a bit so that we can finish riveting. Unfortunately, it looks like the 500 rivets we got are not going to be enough to fully secure everything, so I'll be running to Grainger to grab some more rivets tomorrow. Probably going to grab some open-ended regular steel ones for the floor holes as well, as long as I'm there.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:39 PM   #147
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Anywhere nearby to rent a gun?

And maybe ask HF to pay for the rental?
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:45 PM   #148
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Anywhere nearby to rent a gun?

And maybe ask HF to pay for the rental?
I honestly considered that. Couldn't find anywhere nearby to rent, unfortunately.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:11 PM   #149
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I honestly considered that. Couldn't find anywhere nearby to rent, unfortunately.
That's a bummer for sure.

I feel your pain.....I've had failures with two air chisels, two 1/2" drills, and one
3" cut-off tool from HF at various stages of my build......luckily, they're only 4 miles from my bus, and they have a fast return policy...." Got the receipt? Cool....just place it over on that counter and go get a new one."

Meanwhile, my 25 yr-old Black and Decker drill and 40+ yr-old Skilsaw just keep plugging right along.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:34 PM   #150
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That's a bummer for sure.

I feel your pain.....I've had failures with two air chisels, two 1/2" drills, and one
3" cut-off tool from HF at various stages of my build......luckily, they're only 4 miles from my bus, and they have a fast return policy...." Got the receipt? Cool....just place it over on that counter and go get a new one."

Meanwhile, my 25 yr-old Black and Decker drill and 40+ yr-old Skilsaw just keep plugging right along.
I actually lost the receipt to my 1/4" riveter, but they exchanged it for me anyway (the cashier said it was a miracle her manager approved it). I feel like the manager could read my mind and knew I was just going to buy a new one and return the old one later with that receipt anyway.
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