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Old 02-26-2010, 09:12 PM   #1
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Re: First Timer, 92 Wayne 7.3

Wow, the undercarriage on that bus looks excellent! Hardly any rust at all. I'm jealous. Just FYI: Wayne went out of business in 1995. Good luck with it!
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:44 PM   #2
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They changed owners several times, but Wayne bus bodies were built until 1995.

AmTran didn't buy International, it was the other way around. International bought controlling interest in Ward in the '80s, then in the '90s bought them out and changed the name to AmTran. Around 2000 they reorganized the company and started building under the name "IC" with an custom-designed chassis exclusive to the IC body. In the '90s, AmTran built bodies on almost any available chassis, and International sold their chassis to anyone who wanted to build a body on it.

Wikipedia has a lot of good info but I've found their pages about the bus manufacturers are very lacking.
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Old 03-01-2010, 08:01 PM   #3
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Re: First Timer, 92 Wayne 7.3

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They changed owners several times, but Wayne bus bodies were built until 1995.

AmTran didn't buy International, it was the other way around. International bought controlling interest in Ward in the '80s, then in the '90s bought them out and changed the name to AmTran. Around 2000 they reorganized the company and started building under the name "IC" with an custom-designed chassis exclusive to the IC body. In the '90s, AmTran built bodies on almost any available chassis, and International sold their chassis to anyone who wanted to build a body on it.

Wikipedia has a lot of good info but I've found their pages about the bus manufacturers are very lacking.
Yep, Wayne was bought by Harsco in early 93 (a military vehicle manufacturer). They renamed it "Wayne Wheeled Vehicles" and moved operations from Richmond, Ind to Marysville, Ohio. Two things killed Wayne WV after that:
1.) Harsco really didnt know how to bid and spec school buses. They lost there asses on a bid to Kentucky over spec errors.

2.) Chassis/Body aligners did not have Wayne in there sites. Though GM approached Wayne (along with Thomas and of course Blue Bird, the latter of which they chose to exclusively offer there conventional chassis to) in 1992, Wayne was running out of chassis suppliers. International was in bed with Amtran as previously stated and Fords were becoming rare. Beyond that, the Type D Wayne's International and GM chassis were discontinued by 1990 and 1992 and that only left Crane Carrier and Spartan for Wayne to build on. Two not very popular chassis with dealers and parts networking.

All in all, Waynes are very tough built buses and were once the most popular along side Superior. Nice to see another Wayne bus member!!!!!! Good Luck
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Re: First Timer, 92 Wayne 7.3

Hey! Our buses are almost identical! Except mine has a dt466 with a mt643, and it's a 91. I am also at about the same stage as you. If you haven't already done the undercarriage, I would consider crawiling under there and seeing what they coated it with from the factory. Mine has a very hard undercoating sprayed on the entire undercarriage. It doesn't seem like rubber, because it is very hard. Because of this, mine looks just like yours...spotless!!
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I'd definitely recommend painting the undercarriage at this point. It is in such great condition it will require very little prep work. When I get a chance I'll take a pic of my mini bus's undercarriage so you can see what happens if you ignore it and let it go. It's pretty scary under there and, even though the bus is still running and driving fine, it's got cancer so bad I'm thinking it might be time for the scrap yard. My big bus is not as bad yet, and I plan on getting the undercarriage sandblasted and undercoated this year. Actually that is the next project slated for that bus.
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I knew an old New England yankee who used to spray used motor oil all over the bottom of his 1965 VW Beetle. That thing did not have a speck of rust on it even after 30 CT winters. With all the salt they put on the roads most cars are rotting after 10 years.
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:44 AM   #7
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I'd definitely recommend painting the undercarriage at this point. It is in such great condition it will require very little prep work. When I get a chance I'll take a pic of my mini bus's undercarriage so you can see what happens if you ignore it and let it go. It's pretty scary under there and, even though the bus is still running and driving fine, it's got cancer so bad I'm thinking it might be time for the scrap yard. My big bus is not as bad yet, and I plan on getting the undercarriage sandblasted and undercoated this year. Actually that is the next project slated for that bus.

What will you do for the dozens of seams, laps, and joints you can't reach with a blaster, or apply paint to? If you can't do all, why do any?

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I might agree with your theory if the bus was already very rusty. Given the photographs I have seen, there is very little rust on anything right now, and what rust I do see appears to be just surface rust... not rot. Remove whatever rust you can, and then spray with a rubberized undercoating. This will seal off all these seams, laps, and joints that you speak of and protect those areas from exposure to moisture and road salt. Even if there is a little rust you may be trapping in those seams/joints/and laps, if you protect it from further exposure to moisture and road salt, you are doing yourself a tremendous favor.
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Seeing that pic of the ceiling makes me so glad mine was insulated!!! I bet that was tough to take down. FWIW, mine isn't screwed down the center on the outside either. Personally, I'm not going to worry about it. I just drove my bus from San Diego to MN and didn't notice any rattles in the ceiling. Good job on the floor! In 20 years I bet there still won't be any rust
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For what it is worth...several years ago, I took a family members car and tried an experiment. One side of it, I sprayed with drain oil three times...
I'm also planning on spraying drain oil as a rust inhibitor. What sort of sprayer did you use?
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Windows and side skin looks really good
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