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Old 02-09-2019, 04:01 PM   #41
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Gotten a bit more work done on Geminus, and still haven't figured out if that's going to be the final name or what the color of the bus is going to be.

Right now I'm looking heavy on the rustoleum professional gloss white, but I'd like something a bit more colorful that stands out in the peripheral vision. Due to state laws the most recognizable color, yellow, is ruled out. Next is neon green, but as I've pretty much decided on Rustoleum this is a no go since they don't offer that color.


White is the brightest color the offer that's not yellow. The only other option if I stay with rustoleum is Safety Blue, which looks nice IMO.


Got a tool/material rack built, and put in the back.


Also got a scangauge 2, can't recommend it enough for those that don't want to fork out for the PC version at $500. Four gauges at a time and also functions as a trip log, and to tell you how much money this trip is costing. That ticker increases quickly!

Up next - Painting Geminus!
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:11 PM   #42
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Just curious, Do the laws say it can't be can't be yellow, or it can't be National School Bus Chrome Yellow, or the new nomenclature of National School Bus Glossy Yellow. Can I run another shade of yellow and be legal?
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:22 PM   #43
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I did a lot of digging on this because I couldn't get a straight answer, but ultimately: No, it cannot be any shade "similar to" National School Bus Yellow.

For the final word I contacted the State Transportation Police at 803-896-5500 and verified the laws I found were current and enforced. They are current (and listed below), but enforcement seems to be lacking.




SECTION 59-67-30. Painting and markings of school buses.

Every State-owned school bus while being used in the transportation of school pupils shall be substantially painted with high visibility yellow paint, conforming and similar to National School Bus chrome yellow, and shall display the following markings: ...


This section indicates both National School Bus Chrome Yellow and "similar" colors are considered the be school bus colors in SC.









SECTION 59-67-50. Removal of identification marks from former school buses.

All school buses in this State, when no longer used for school purposes and sold to any person for private or public use, must have all marks of identification showing that these buses were used by schools and school districts removed before private or public use may be made of them. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be subject to a fine not exceeding twenty-five dollars or imprisonment upon the public works of the county in which the offense is committed for a period of not more than thirty days.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 21-795; 1952 Code Section 21-795; 1942 Code Section 1626-4; 1937 (40) 122.

SECTION 59-67-60. Repainting of former school buses.

Any person who purchases a used school bus must paint it a color other than yellow before operating such bus on the highway. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 21-795.1; 1956 (49) 1686.


And this one doesn't even state NSBCY, just yellow.












And that's why painting the bus got moved up!
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Gotten a bit more work done on Geminus ...

Wow, you are working FAST!!!


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Right now I'm looking heavy on the rustoleum professional gloss white ... white is the brightest color the offer that's not yellow. The only other option if I stay with rustoleum is Safety Blue, which looks nice IMO.

Take a look at implement paint. We are using PPG and like how it STICKS. Not all of our bus has been painted, but some parts have about 18 months on them and still look un-touched by the weather.



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Got a tool/material rack built, and put in the back.

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Also got a scangauge 2, can't recommend it enough for those that don't want to fork out for the PC version at $500. Four gauges at a time and also functions as a trip log, and to tell you how much money this trip is costing. That ticker increases quickly!


I am thinking about getting either the scangauge 2 or the Bluefire. I like seeing another positive post on the scangauge 2, thanks!
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:31 AM   #45
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Thanks, I've tried my best to do as much as I can as fast as I can. I'm a bit eager to leave my current town.

I've included photos of the rear tool storage, much have forgot that before.


ScanGauge 2 is wonderful, I love having more gauges. The bluefire seems nice, but I use my phone already and didn't want to try to switch apps while driving.


First I thought you wanted a BlueForce Tracker, and was curious why exactly you were driving your bus into a war zone.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:31 AM   #46
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Thanks, I've tried my best to do as much as I can as fast as I can. I'm a bit eager to leave my current town.

I've included photos of the rear tool storage, much have forgot that before.

Now I see . it was in the picture of the length of the bus I was fixated on the nice RED wheel wells and did not notice the rack. I do see it in the close up shots, thank you.


Our back end is similar in that it is unfinished. We have made the front 1/3 of the bus into the "cabin" area and the back 2/3 is bare metal. We will be using it to move our household goods first, then finish the conversion.


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ScanGauge 2 is wonderful, I love having more gauges. The bluefire seems nice, but I use my phone already and didn't want to try to switch apps while driving.

I have a tablet that will be dedicted to be the accessory console display.



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First I thought you wanted a BlueForce Tracker, and was curious why exactly you were driving your bus into a war zone.

LOL ... there are many times that The Beast *looks* like a war zone!
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Gotten a bit more work done on Geminus, and still haven't figured out if that's going to be the final name or what the color of the bus is going to be.

Right now I'm looking heavy on the rustoleum professional gloss white, but I'd like something a bit more colorful that stands out in the peripheral vision. Due to state laws the most recognizable color, yellow, is ruled out. Next is neon green, but as I've pretty much decided on Rustoleum this is a no go since they don't offer that color.


White is the brightest color the offer that's not yellow. The only other option if I stay with rustoleum is Safety Blue, which looks nice IMO.


I'm pretty sure they do make a John Deere green - which isn't neon, but I think it's a rather nice shade of green on its own, and certainly not a dark shade of green.


(Edit - or they used to, I don't see it in anything but a rattle can now. I do see a safety green in one of the Alkyd enamels.

https://www.rustoleum.com/product-ca...0Deere%20Green )


Blue is a pretty nice color too.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:17 AM   #49
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So, painting got a bit delayed with a 10 day forecast of rain. Did end up picking up some white rustoleum enamel paint, although I can always paint over this.

Prepped the entire thing for painting already with sanding all the nooks and crannys. Also been doing some test drives to determine my rear end gear ratio - 5.38, yay! It's actually not quite that bad. I figure a lower end gearing means that it will have a lesser issue with inclines than a higher end gear, plus I do NOT like to drive fast in any vehicle. Seen far too many accidents in my travels.

I did have to push the DT466 to 2600+ RPM, but only for a period of a few minutes from one highway exit to another. Not a comfortable thing to do IMO, that thing was roaring. At 45-50mph / 2100-2350RPM it purrs nice and low.

So, paints!

Originally I wanted a slightly neon orange to match my first car, but couldn't find a suitable paint that was oil based. Next was a Flying Scottsman paintjob, with a body of dark green, a matte black hood, and mid section trim painted brown for the length of the bus.

Sticking with rustoleum, since I've already tested their enamel and it works great for the bus (so far, even after going over it while sanding the rest of the bus). Out of the colors available locally, I really wanted Almond, but they only sold that in ounce cans (even online, no gallons of it at lowes or home depot I could find). So I figured I'd just go with white, since worst case I can always paint over it.
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I was going to tell you to check the temp gauge as it may be faulty. But then realized you must have started taking pics as soon as you fired up and left. The temp rose in the pics to normal, but was low at 110°, warm engine light on. You need a gear change to slow down that motor and save some fuel. Here's mine at 70mph turning only 2k, at 2300 i'm running 80mph.
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I was going to tell you to check the temp gauge as it may be faulty. But then realized you must have started taking pics as soon as you fired up and left. The temp rose in the pics to normal, but was low at 110°, warm engine light on. You need a gear change to slow down that motor and save some fuel. Here's mine at 70mph turning only 2k, at 2300 i'm running 80mph.
Yep, pics were right after it was cranked up on a cold morning. Mainly was getting the speed/rpm at various points to find my rear end gearing. I mean, it could be a lot worse than 5.38, but it also could be a lot better.

As for speed, if I could fine a decently low priced option ($400 or less) I'd go with a slightly higher gearing (4.88 looks nice), but I'd not want to exceed 50mph in something this big. I rarely go faster than 60mph in a normal car, and generally always stay off the interstates since the speeds are much higher than my comfort level. All of my test drives on the interstates over 55mph have scared the crap out of me. Not because of mechanical issues or steering, just knowing what may happen if an accident occurs and I cannot brake in time.

45-50mph is my preferred speed for a long road trip in something this big, 55-60mph in a regular car. Thank god for the old highway system that stretches most places I need to go and has generally lower speed limits than the interstates. I've moved across country a few times, and each time I went the scenic route. Nice, slow, and beautiful.
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Out of the colors available locally, I really wanted Almond, but they only sold that in ounce cans (even online, no gallons of it at lowes or home depot I could find). So I figured I'd just go with white, since worst case I can always paint over it.
We had to do an 'emergency' paint job on our bus because of the 'not yellow' issue in NH too. We chose grey for this job. The final colors will be red/white/blue, based on the original Italian Job movie bus. We could get white and red gallons locally, but not the Royal Blue. Found out we could not order them either, at least not shipped to NH, or ME or MA, but they would ship to VT. Fortunately we are about 5 miles from the VT border and have friends that live there, so it was easy. It might be worth looking into that with the Almond.
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Yep, pics were right after it was cranked up on a cold morning. Mainly was getting the speed/rpm at various points to find my rear end gearing. I mean, it could be a lot worse than 5.38, but it also could be a lot better.

As for speed, if I could fine a decently low priced option ($400 or less) I'd go with a slightly higher gearing (4.88 looks nice), but I'd not want to exceed 50mph in something this big. I rarely go faster than 60mph in a normal car, and generally always stay off the interstates since the speeds are much higher than my comfort level. All of my test drives on the interstates over 55mph have scared the crap out of me. Not because of mechanical issues or steering, just knowing what may happen if an accident occurs and I cannot brake in time.

45-50mph is my preferred speed for a long road trip in something this big, 55-60mph in a regular car. Thank god for the old highway system that stretches most places I need to go and has generally lower speed limits than the interstates. I've moved across country a few times, and each time I went the scenic route. Nice, slow, and beautiful.
Seller told me the bus would do 75mph all day long. I left Butte, Mt.after filling the tank and got on the freeway with an 80mph speed limit and set the cruise at 80 and ran a full tank out at that speed. Wasn't scary at all, except the 7mpg I got at that speed.
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Everyone has their own comfort level, I personally prefer slow and steady. I have reduced mobility of my left leg and right arm due to a vehicle accident when I was younger (drunk driver). Nothing that disqualifies me from having a drivers license (or CDL with an SPE for that matter), but something that makes me have a cautious outlook on driving and a lot of other daily activities.

That'd be a great speed for cross country in a quick shot, but I've never been one to value the destination over the journey. Even moving across country I took the old highway system and scenic routes in a U-Haul, much more enjoyable and you get to see things that are "Off the beaten path".

It's also a matter of stopping distance. Not taking into account reaction time, at 55MPH it takes 4.7 seconds to slow to a stop over a distance of 165+ feet on flat dry pavement. At 65MPH it takes 7 seconds over 245+ feet, and at 75MPH it takes a whopping 10 seconds over 400+ feet. Add on top of that the fact my bus isn't "loaded", meaning less weight and more time it takes to stop. Even once the build is finished I won't be anywhere near the GVWR to get decent traction compared to a fully loaded bus.


I'm also comforted by the fact lower gearing makes for better performance in the mountains, especially with my 545. This is about the only instance I'll be on the highway due to the conditions of alternate routes (looking at you NC DOT in the piedmont/smokies regions), and the speed limit here is 50-60MPH on the interstate. If you've ever been up on 74 towards Asheville, you'll see semi's going 30-40MPH up the grades. I'll fit in just fine!
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Thank god for the old highway system that stretches most places I need to go and has generally lower speed limits than the interstates. I've moved across country a few times, and each time I went the scenic route. Nice, slow, and beautiful.
Pretty much our plan too....I'd never noticed how beautiful Kansas and Iowa could be until I took the old highways in the bus instead of the interstate in the car. We're not in a rush.
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Pretty much our plan too....I'd never noticed how beautiful Kansas and Iowa could be until I took the old highways in the bus instead of the interstate in the car. We're not in a rush.
My first time going across country was the only time I went the interstate through most states, including Kansas. It was a nightmare. Not only is the land so flat and monotonous, but each rest stop is designed the EXACT same way, so it's as if you're not really going anywhere, just in a big circle FOREVER.

Oh, and I had the soft top ripped off my jeep by the tornado force winds, because there was a bloody tornado touching down a few miles away. Horrid, and for years (before I made another cross country trip sans interstate) I always had a "hatred" for Kansas.

Second time across country, I go old roads. Still monotonous Kansas, but at least theres towns and stuff, not just....land. Not as bad, and I actually end up staying in a Kansas town. Discovered the most amazing NASA museum with an SR-21 Blackbird, half of a space shutter, a real flown Gemini and it's launch platform outside, and so much more! I even got a tour of the behind the scenes ares where the store stuff that aren't on display because I arrived early.

Going through Nebraska, passed by a stonehenge made of old cars. Literally what it sounds like, some random guy dug holes, put old stripped cars in them propped up and on top of each other, and painted them with gray primer.

These are just the two biggest "Holy **** how is something this amazing in such a remote location" moments. Driving the backroads and you'll get the best food at small diners, the friendliest people at local shops, and some of the best darn rocking chairs either side of the rockies.
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Toys & Security!

So I got me some new toys from Amazon today. Oddly they were delivered by AMZL in a U-Haul van. Weird.

Anyways, already have 2 cameras feeding directly to a monitor on the bus, and got a 4 camera system with a DVR for a total of 6 cameras with a maximum of 8. Currently planned for this external camera setup:
  1. Front Facing Traffic
  2. Front Facing License Plate Scanner
  3. Rear Facing Traffic
  4. Rear Facing Bumper
  5. Rear Left Side, Front Facing To Cover Entire Left Side
  6. Rear Right Side, Front Facing To Cover Entire Right Side
  7. Front Left Side, Rear Facing To Cover Entire Left Side
  8. Front Right Side, Rear Facing To Cover Entire Right Side

All cameras are the cheap 720p that I have attached except the license plate scanner. This is going to be a higher quality camera with more weatherproofing, and likely going to a PC running openalpr first prior to getting routed to the DVR since the camera output isn't going to be a BNC connector. If it's possible to split it without a converter though, I'll just feed it to the DVR directly with a splitter and BNC adapter.

I'm planning on placing 3 external microphones and 1 internal microphone (DVR has 4 audio inputs). I'll keep the internal mic live at all times, but the external microphones I'll only have triggered by the door opening mechanism with a manual toggle switch on the drivers panel.

For output, I'll be splitting 6 of the cameras output between the DVR and (3) external monitors. Going to mount these where the large mirror was over the driver. The center monitor will display camera 3 (rear traffic) normally, and camera 4 (rear bumper) in reverse. The monitors on each side will be switchable from cameras 5/7 and 6/8 for side views of the bus.

The DVR output will be fed to my main TV or a spare monitor, since it's not going to be located in the drivers area. This way even if the DVR fails, I'll still have the monitors displaying the camera feeds since it's split off before the DVR.

This should result in a nearly 360° view of the exterior of the bus, and that makes my insurance company happy. They won't give a discount, but I've had quite a few not at-fault accidents where my camera footage saved a LOT of hassle of "he said, she said". Not just incidents with my vehicle either, if you have a dashcam and capture an incident, generally it's nice to pull over and give the individual apparently not at-fault your contact information. Not legally required, just being a good human.

With a background in security systems, I can assure you this setup I have is absolute s***. But, I don't have the luxury of dropping by my old wholesaler (ADI) since I no longer work in the field or hold a license. The hard drive is going to go out first, it's rated at 5G's and bumps in a bus can get up to 10G's. SSD in the near future, but the DVR board looks durable. All that being said, all the security stuff cost me less than $100 (I still had some components on hand saving money) and the wiring used is what I'd normally use, and the mounting layout is also a common layout shared by higher quality dome cameras. So replacing any that fail with higher quality dome cameras will be nearly "plug and play" plus 3 screws. ZOSI has crap cameras, but relatively decent low priced DVR units ($20 - $40).
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Your security system may be done inexpensively, but is it waaaaaay better than most of use have!
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Your security system may be done inexpensively, but is it waaaaaay better than most of use have!
Why thank you.

To be honest, this is really only for traffic accidents, which it should work great for. For general skoolies, I'd highly suggest at a dashcam.

For home security systems, they are a ruse of sorts. Alarm systems and cameras do not keep robbers out, they simply discourage them and give the user a general false sense of security. Sure, if you have a monitoring company the police will eventually be called, but it takes at least 3 minutes to get from "Alarm signal" to "police alerted", then add the response time for your local police department. That's likely going to fall in the 10 to 25 minute range, enough time for a large majority of robberies to take place.

I wouldn't suggest not having a security system, but also don't put faith in a security system of any kind to physically prevent intruders. They simply don't. They make sure you know that something is wrong and assists in alerting the police.

It does help with criminal prosecution and insurance claims by leaps and bounds.
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