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05-22-2015, 08:43 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Hazard lights
My school bus doesn't have any and I'd like to make the following changes to the lights...
1 swop the lenses around for the reds and ambers at the top.
2 replace the front reds with clear domes.
3 wire the ambers front and back to work in combination with turn signals so I have high and low level turn signals - for added safety.
4 wire the rear reds to work with the brake lights for added safety.
5 wire the front reds - fitted with clear domes as a floodlight on a separate switch
6 wire all the ambers - top and bottom into a hazard circuit.
Its a complex sounding task. Has anybody done it with a carpenter?
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05-22-2015, 09:50 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 1,635
Year: 2000
Chassis: Blue Bird
Engine: ISC 8.3
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephod_beeblebrox2
My school bus doesn't have any and I'd like to make the following changes to the lights...
1 swop the lenses around for the reds and ambers at the top.
2 replace the front reds with clear domes.
3 wire the ambers front and back to work in combination with turn signals so I have high and low level turn signals - for added safety.
4 wire the rear reds to work with the brake lights for added safety.
5 wire the front reds - fitted with clear domes as a floodlight on a separate switch
6 wire all the ambers - top and bottom into a hazard circuit.
Its a complex sounding task. Has anybody done it with a carpenter?
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I have a hard time believing the bus has no hazard flasher function -- it has been required by safety standards since the dawn of time! On the Blue Birds the hazard switch is a small red tab at the top of the steering column, hidden just below the steering wheel. It pushes/pulls away from the center of the column. Maybe the switch is similarly hidden on the Carpenter..? Surely it must have one somewhere.
All the swapping sounds pretty doable. Just do one lamp at a time and you won't have to worry about getting wires mixed up.
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05-22-2015, 09:55 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Lexington sc
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Thus far I have been unable to find any hazard light noir even a mention of it in the manual
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05-23-2015, 08:27 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Adirondack Mountains NY
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Wiring in hazard lights aka 4-way flashers is a good thing if you don't have them. In the '60s, before they were standard equipment, you used to be able to go to the auto parts store and get a kit wired onto the back of a big red lighted knob that attached to all the wires. Now you are on your own.
But I posted a list of the lighting rules a couple of years ago. The one I remember because people like to ignore it is that the red and yellow flashing lights are too high above the pavement to be converted to turn signals, and probably brake lights, too.
I would have to do a search, but I think the limit was about 80 inches above the roadway.
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05-23-2015, 09:13 AM
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Bus Nut
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I'd like to see that, if it's a legitimate source. I have a feeling it could well be like the "photographers rights" document that has been floating around the internet for years. Now that document is total bunk but looks believable so the more gullible believe in it then wonder why they're getting in trouble!
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05-23-2015, 09:21 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2014
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I think Redbear was referring to this link. That being said, I've been seeing a lot of newer MCI buses with multiple additional brake lights that exceed that 83" 'limit'.
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05-23-2015, 09:34 AM
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Bus Nut
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I've seen some trucks with high level extra lights too. IMHO there's no such thing as too much safety.
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05-23-2015, 09:39 AM
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Bus Nut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooternj
I think Redbear was referring to this link. That being said, I've been seeing a lot of newer MCI buses with multiple additional brake lights that exceed that 83" 'limit'.
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Hmm.... Doesn't apply. That's for vehicles registered in Canada.
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05-23-2015, 09:53 AM
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Bus Crazy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephod_beeblebrox2
Hmm.... Doesn't apply. That's for vehicles registered in Canada.
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Its from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Since the Federal and Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards are identical, its a dual standard, annotated as needed, for both countries. A couple of the image URLs are broken.
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05-23-2015, 09:56 AM
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Bus Nut
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It seems to refer to the first set of lights, not to a duplicate set.
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05-23-2015, 09:57 AM
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Bus Crazy
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Instead of arguing left and right, its just safe to say that we're seeing a LOT of new stuff out there with stop and turn lights above 83 inches
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05-23-2015, 10:02 AM
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Bus Nut
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I tend to agree. I'm going to put mine in anyway and if its an issue, I bought the bus like that!
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05-23-2015, 12:29 PM
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Moderator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by family wagon
I have a hard time believing the bus has no hazard flasher function -- it has been required by safety standards since the dawn of time! On the Blue Birds the hazard switch is a small red tab at the top of the steering column, hidden just below the steering wheel. It pushes/pulls away from the center of the column. Maybe the switch is similarly hidden on the Carpenter..? Surely it must have one somewhere.
All the swapping sounds pretty doable. Just do one lamp at a time and you won't have to worry about getting wires mixed up.
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The bus I just picked up in Texas doesn't have them. I needed them on my trip. I almost used my 8 ways then thought bring traffic to a complete stop wasn't a good idea. All of my other buses had them.
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05-23-2015, 12:31 PM
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Bus Crazy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycal
I almost used my 8 ways then thought bring traffic to a complete stop wasn't a good idea.
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Could have used just the ambers. But that's odd. Mine is hidden under the stalk.
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05-23-2015, 12:50 PM
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Not sure but I didn't spend too much time looking. It wasn't on the dash or column. When I get it home I will check into it.
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05-23-2015, 01:14 PM
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Bus Nut
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Bloody hell, there is a hazard lamp switch! Its buggered though. I had to whack it to get it to turn off!
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05-23-2015, 01:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephod_beeblebrox2
Attachment 7043
Bloody hell, there is a hazard lamp switch! Its buggered though. I had to whack it to get it to turn off!
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I can't see it. Where is it!
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05-23-2015, 01:23 PM
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Bus Crazy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazycal
I can't see it. Where is it!
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Its right below the stalk on the column
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05-23-2015, 01:28 PM
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Bus Nut
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Yup. You have a carpenter too?
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05-23-2015, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooternj
Its right below the stalk on the column
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OK, but what's a stalk?
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