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08-17-2015, 12:20 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Rear engine buses will be harder to find higher gears for.
They use a revers cut ring gear that is only used on rear engine bus application.
Unlike front engine buses that use the same rear ends as every MDT 3 ton truck on the road.
Every rear engine bus I have seen has the 5.29 rear gears.
Nat
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Patently waiting for the apocalypses to level the playing field in this physiological game of life commonly known as Civilization
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08-17-2015, 12:44 PM
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#162
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Skoolie
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Monrovia California
Posts: 151
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Engine: 3208 turbo Cat
Rated Cap: 78
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Thanks Nat!, good info.
J
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08-17-2015, 12:47 PM
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#163
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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I have a 4.10 rear end in my 1989 BBAA. I guess it's gold. It's a 23,000 Rockwell. Maybe I will hang onto it for my retirement.
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08-17-2015, 02:46 PM
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#164
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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I'll be doing some investigating on that here in Houston as time goes on.
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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08-19-2015, 06:09 PM
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#165
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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I Have a Eaton in my Crown & the build sheet says their 4.33
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08-19-2015, 06:21 PM
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#166
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Called Thomas here in Houston. They told me it's not an issue. Gave them the V.I.N. and they ran it. They said 4.10s are easy to do. Apparently I have a 5.80-something, 82 or 84. The quote with a two year warranty was $1500 to $2K depending upon whatever else they need to do. However, they also said that price includes changing the speedometer gears and calibrating them, and checking the rear end for any wear and submitting repair requests before reassembly. If I feel rich I might take them up on it.
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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08-19-2015, 10:13 PM
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#167
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Good to know there are gearing options.
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08-20-2015, 04:48 AM
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#168
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,436
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
Rated Cap: Just the two of us.
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My AARE has 4.63, it purchased as an activities bus. It will quite happily run 70.
UH
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08-20-2015, 05:11 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Knowing the transportation industry like I do I kinda figured there were options, you just have to look. The fact there is a Thomas dealer in Houston makes it a bit easier to find the parts I'm looking for. In addition, these guys also gave me the number and contact info for one of the Thomas parts managers in North Carolina. If anyone has a parts problem/issue, PM me and I'll set you up with the info.
M1031
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08-20-2015, 12:32 PM
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#170
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Well, my Cat engine is a 225 hp beauty! Rear end is an Eaton Spicer with a 5.29 gear ratio. Called Spicer, they had to go back to their paper catalogs to find the axle! Nothing like paper to either confirm or deny a rumor.......  4.11s are no longer available due to age from Eaton  , however, General Truck Parts in Chicago said they'd look.... Waiting for them to call back....... 
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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08-20-2015, 01:04 PM
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#171
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Skoolie
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Monrovia California
Posts: 151
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Engine: 3208 turbo Cat
Rated Cap: 78
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Quote:
Originally Posted by M1031A1
Well, my Cat engine is a 225 hp beauty! Rear end is an Eaton Spicer with a 5.29 gear ratio. Called Spicer, they had to go back to their paper catalogs to find the axle! Nothing like paper to either confirm or deny a rumor....... 4.11s are no longer available due to age from Eaton , however, General Truck Parts in Chicago said they'd look.... Waiting for them to call back....... |
Hey M1031A1, how can I find out what HP is my BB 3208T? BTW thanks for the info on using prolong, lucas fuel and Marvel Mystery oil I follow your recipe and it does make a difference, is not like when you wash your car and it seems to run better(in our minds,Lol) this really makes a big difference on engine temp.
J
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08-20-2015, 01:10 PM
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#172
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Quote:
Originally Posted by juliol
Hey M1031A1, how can I find out what HP is my BB 3208T? BTW thanks for the info on using prolong, lucas fuel and Marvel Mystery oil I follow your recipe and it does make a difference, is not like when you wash your car and it seems to run better(in our minds,Lol) this really makes a big difference on engine temp.
J
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J, look at the data plate. Mine from Thomas gives the engine and serial number of that engine. The guys at the shop said they replaced the engine with an exact hp replacement engine from Cat. So the data plate reads: 3208T225. The "T225" indicates it's the turbo 225 hp engine. No wonder it pulls so well and acts like it's begging for another gear!
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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08-20-2015, 02:00 PM
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#173
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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I was just going by what I have seen installed stock in our buses for gearing.
My rear engine bus will do 70 just fine with the 5.34 gears.
4.10 rear gears would be sweet after I turn up the power 100 hp, but having 6th gear unlocked would do the same for me.
If I didn't have the 3060, the gears would be my only option.
Nat
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"Don't argue with stupid people. They will just drag you down to their level, and beat you up with experience."
Patently waiting for the apocalypses to level the playing field in this physiological game of life commonly known as Civilization
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08-20-2015, 05:31 PM
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#174
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Depending upon what I find out I may go to a semi scrap yard and size up an axle from a big rig and take it from there. Seen it done many times before and on this site a couple of times.
Right now I'm waiting for results from Chicago.......
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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09-16-2015, 08:07 PM
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#175
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Well, we have pushed forward and now have some cabinets for the kitchen and pantry. We're in the process of getting a stainless steel countertop and other goodies for Heavy.
Here are some pics.
This weekend the family will be working on the roof. Wifie and son will be helping me with the endeavors.
Plenty of pics this weekend to feed the masses!
We're also looking at a hydroponic system inside the bus for several reasons to be explained a bit later. Headed to bed now.
See y'all soon!
M1031
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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09-16-2015, 09:29 PM
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#176
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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I like the metal.
I will end up building my own, but have been on the look out for some nice garage type that I feel are strong enough.
Nice change over the wood everyone uses.
Nat
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"Don't argue with stupid people. They will just drag you down to their level, and beat you up with experience."
Patently waiting for the apocalypses to level the playing field in this physiological game of life commonly known as Civilization
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09-17-2015, 12:21 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 308
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If you have any questions shoot me a PM I run some hydroponic green houses at a high school and have been dabbling in the hobby for over a decade. Word of advice hydroponic potatoes make bad house plants.
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09-17-2015, 06:12 AM
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#178
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneo
If you have any questions shoot me a PM I run some hydroponic green houses at a high school and have been dabbling in the hobby for over a decade. Word of advice hydroponic potatoes make bad house plants.
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Captain,
I'm a ranch foreman for a nearby ranch in addition to everything else I do. They are working on a hydroponic system. I'm learning from them, but I'd LOVE to pick your brain in the not-to-distant future if that's ok with you.....
M1031
Nat,
I'll be showing the way in which I'm using the goodies we got this weekend sometime. Always curious to see what other people come up with for ideas as well. Thanks. 
M1031
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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09-17-2015, 05:13 PM
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#179
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Dowdy Lakes, Colorado
Posts: 1,444
Year: 1989
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner ER
Engine: 3208 CAT/MT643 tranny
Rated Cap: 87
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Just won two more small cabinets this afternoon. Pics are coming this weekend! I have a circular saw for cutting up the old beat-up plywood floor and begin to rustproof the steel floor and prep it for spray foam. Lots going on this weekend! WoHOO!!!!! 
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Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
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09-17-2015, 06:10 PM
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#180
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Skoolie
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Monrovia California
Posts: 151
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Engine: 3208 turbo Cat
Rated Cap: 78
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Quote:
Originally Posted by M1031A1
Just won two more small cabinets this afternoon. Pics are coming this weekend! I have a circular saw for cutting up the old beat-up plywood floor and begin to rustproof the steel floor and prep it for spray foam. Lots going on this weekend! WoHOO!!!!! |
Hey, are you doing the spray foam yourself?
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