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Old 07-09-2014, 07:43 PM   #1
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ok guys and gals, help me here. gonna buy a bus monday. the choices are......... remember, these are late 80s and early 90s buses..........1989 65 passenger amtrans with dt360. 1994 amtrans 60 passenger with dt446. and ford chassis straight six diesel. thats all the info i have. so, based on that poor info,and just for **** and giggles lets say they were all the same length, which would you buy for 1200 bucks? also, does anyone know what mototr would be in a late 80s ford with a six cylinder?


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Old 07-09-2014, 08:52 PM   #2
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Oohh.. that's a tough one. The DTA360 isn't known for power, but it sure is a fuel miser, which translates to affordable driving. The DT466 is also a great engine and with the newer body and chassis it may be the way to go. I don't know much about Ford buses (and judging by the quick mention, I'm guessing you don't know much about them either). I'd put a vote in for either Internationals. You might want to base the decision on how much rust you see underneath...
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:37 PM   #3
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I'd guess the 80's Ford would be a 300 CID gasser. If so, it is a good engine overall but hard on gas in that heavy an application--unless it has a 2 spd axle etc to help out. If it turns out to be a diesel then I have no clue
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:52 PM   #4
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The Ford may have a 5.9 cummins.
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Old 07-10-2014, 12:31 AM   #5
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Re: HELLLLPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ford can also have the 6 liter Brazilian diesel too.

But condition and price being similar I would jump on the DT 466 without hesitation.
This engine is LEGENDARY.
First it has replaceable cylinder liners. This means the engine block does not need to be removed from the frame to be rebuilt. That is a time and labor saver if you ever need it done. (an inframe for that engine will run around 7k)
Let me share a little first hand experience with this engine. The one in my work truck was inframed at around 320,000 miles and the original head was reused without any valve work. Still ran fine when retired at 430,000 miles. Averaged 10 mpg with a LOT of idle time. Being used on a road trip with proper gearing it should be closer to 12. Idle time KILLS fuel economy. Not particularly good for the engine either.

Gearing counts! There is another member of this board with a DT466 that has overheating problems on the highway in Texas. There is a simple reason for that. The DT 466 was NEVER intended to run at high rpm for extended periods of time. Most school buses are geared for city use. There is a reason they seem to top out around 50 to 55 mph flat out. If you buy the bus with the 466 figure out what speed you want to be able to cruise at then gear the rear axle so that the engine runs about 17 to 1800 rpm at that speed. It will take a grand but your engine will live longer and happier and quieter among other things. You won't have constant overheating issues either.
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:27 AM   #6
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Try to get a MT643 transmission if available and stay away from the AT545.
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Old 07-10-2014, 05:44 AM   #7
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thank yall. the ford is definately a diesel. i have not seen it yet because i havnt fount it yet. lol the busses are in two locations, both rural, and at one location, is the dt 360. i am prepared to buy the 360, only rust is on the back corners and a little on the rub rail. looks like the bus held water in the rub rails and also maybe rain water settled at the back of the bus.the chassis is amtrans and body is ward volunteer. 65 passenger. these busses spent their lives in south louisiana.

the 466 bus im sure i must have seen it, but when i went to where it is at, i got whupped up on by a bunch of killer wasps from hell. 18 stings! the busses there are in about 4 ft of weeds. the owner said the busses would have to go to memphis on occasion and this particular bus was governed at 55 mph. my concern is the length..60 passenger? one half seat? will try and go again this morning to look again. (armed this time, lol) but i doubt i will be able to get a good look at underside to determine tranny. oh, it will be amtrans and either ward or blue bird.

i will also try and locate the ford. he said it is a very tight bus, and has a straight six.it ran out of fuel last time they moved it so it sits somewhere in the woods. thats all the info so far. there are no bad six cylinder diesels are there?

the story on these is the man and his daughter bought a bunch of busses and had a bussiness shuttling workers to construction sites, refineries and chemical plants. so they had to be maintained to meet the need. they have current tags and inspection,( a couple may have expired in last few months) and the fellow says to pick anyone i want, they are all in good shape. he says they are worth 1200 in scrap but he would rather see them live a longer life! also, he is wanting to do a schoolie conversion too!
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Old 07-10-2014, 12:15 PM   #8
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okay, just got back from looking at the busses again. found the ford and eliminated it quickly ( bent bumper and broken front cap.). the bus with the dt466 looks ok, is a carpenter body and has a side door! BUT, it is only a 60 passenger. it also has a spin on filter on the transmission????

the 65 passenger looks good, ward volunteer body, dt360 and no filter on trans. there is a slight rust stain from the top radiator hose, and water pump area. maybe a sign of overheating and adding water, maybe stained from a wee little drip over a very long period. but, it is rusty water! the stain would not be there if it was coolant, right? so im leary..

everyone says both engines are great for almost forever, the only killer being cavitation in the cylinders. what are the chances?

oh, still trying to figure out the sure heat thing. the bus with the 360 has two heaters up front. one by left ankle and the other by the door. they are marked with a plate. sure heat. are those just cores and blowers or are the the type that burn fuel like webasto and others?

question of the day is the power difference, the mpg difference or the total length a deal breaker, or should i run away from both or either?

thanks again for all yalls help.
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Re: HELLLLPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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everyone says both engines are great for almost forever, the only killer being cavitation in the cylinders. what are the chances?
I hear about the possibilities of cavitation issues, but I've yet to hear of anyone actually have an engine fail from it. As long as the coolant is the correct type for the engine, it shouldn't really be a problem. That said, if the one engine was actually using straight water instead of coolant there may be an issue.
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For economy, go back to the Ford most likely. Yes, transmissions have spin on filters.
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