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Old 10-14-2019, 08:49 PM   #1
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Joining the Club

Well, after several years of visiting, and a few months after joining, my lovely bride and I have joined the club by acquiring a 2003 International 3800!

D-466E engine, Allison transmission...166,000 miles.

Cranked today. Got all the seats out and the plywood ripped out. (Whew...I'm sore already). Got a bit of rust to deal with, it looks like, but (hopefully) nothing too serious.

Looking forward to the process. I'm already grateful for the knowledge that people have shared here. It provided a willingness to move forward in this adventure. So thanks to everyone who has shared their experience.

Cheers!
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:54 PM   #2
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Welcome, complete the joining by going to the UserCP and adding your location and bus info in your profile. It'll make it easier to answer your questions.
Which Allison trans is it? You're starting with a good engine.
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Is that a large horn or a speaker above the driver?
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:09 AM   #4
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:59 AM   #6
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:06 AM   #7
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Not sure what model transmission. How do I find out?
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Not sure what model transmission. How do I find out?
Post a pic of the shifter.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:08 AM   #9
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Is that a large horn or a speaker above the driver?
Speaker for communicating with kids outside the bus. Radio system is torn out. Thought about tying it into a sound system for outdoor music, but am willing to bet the sound quality is pretty bad!
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Speaker for communicating with kids outside the bus. Radio system is torn out. Thought about tying it into a sound system for outdoor music, but am willing to bet the sound quality is pretty bad!
The sound quality is atrocious.
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:16 PM   #11
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The sound quality is atrocious.
If it is bad sound, but loud, perhaps it could serve as a horn.
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:19 PM   #12
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Thanks for the welcome, everyone!

Busses are dangerous. All I want to do is stay home and make progress. Got the heaters out today.

Here's a picture of the shifter if someone can tell the transmission from it.
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:35 PM   #13
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Probably an AT545 Allison in there by the looks of the shifter. Same trans I got.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:09 PM   #14
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Probably an AT545 Allison in there by the looks of the shifter. Same trans I got.
Could be a series 2000. I think a 545 would have a "3" below the D position
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Probably an AT545 Allison in there by the looks of the shifter. Same trans I got.
Theirs has a "4" so I don't think its a 545. Looks to be a 2000. I think by 2003 they had finally used up their supply of 545's.
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Old 10-16-2019, 12:19 AM   #16
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Theirs has a "4" so I don't think its a 545. Looks to be a 2000. I think by 2003 they had finally used up their supply of 545's.
Our 2000 has a circle around the "D", indicating overdrive.
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Our 2000 has a circle around the "D", indicating overdrive.
Not all do. Some just have 1,2,4,D.
On a 545 the D is 4th.
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:47 AM   #18
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allison spec'd about 50 different shifters i think.. the programming of the TCM determines what shifter it got..



a (D) 3-2-1. is a allison 2000 shifter but will drop from 5 to 3 if going slow enough when downshifting.. or will drop to 4 until you reduce speed further then it gfoes to 3..



a D-4-2-1 shifter will drop to 4 when shifted to 4. but will not further drop to 3 when you descrease speed..



the shifter was SPEC'd based on what the district wanted..



a D-4-2-1 shifter was not used on an AT545 or an MT643... only on 1000/2000
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:44 AM   #19
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Seat and Plywood Removal

I'm taking the bus to a mechanic on Thursday night to see if there are any significant mechanical issues that need to be addressed. I'll see if he knows what transmission it has. At this point, though, it kind of is what it is. Should I know anything particular about the performance / maintenance of my specific transmission?

Here's a pic of seats out and plywood stripped. Got some rust between the wheel wells and a couple of small holes that I will need to patch.

Took me between 4 and 5 hours. I found a system that I liked: I took out all the seat bottoms, then impact wrenched the side rail bolts. (With a pneumatic impact driver I only had to hold a wrench on the bottom not for a handful of them. The rest came right out.)

Then I took an angle grinder with a grinding wheel and ground a groove into the bolt heads. This also allowed me to get down lower under the head. Without this step I found that I didn't get low enough to clear the head which looked like it was eating up cutoff wheels. Also, when I cut through I had too much of the bolt head remaining to free the seat.

After I had "pre-ground" each bolt, I switched to a cut-off wheel. I finished off the bolts of a seat, lifted the chair rail side first tilting the seat which broke it free from the floor. Then chucked it gleefully out the back of the bus. (Well...gleeful for the first 10 or so...then I got tired.)

Rubber coating was stuck on pretty good. That was tiring.

Plywood, though, wasn't too bad. I found that I would pop up a couple feet, then, instead of trying to wrestle with it, I just took a skill saw and an old blade and cut the loose part off, then continue on. The loss of leverage trying to get a pry bar (even a longer one) 3 feet under just wasn't efficient!
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:49 PM   #20
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I'm taking the bus to a mechanic on Thursday night to see if there are any significant mechanical issues that need to be addressed. I'll see if he knows what transmission it has. At this point, though, it kind of is what it is. Should I know anything particular about the performance / maintenance of my specific transmission?

Here's a pic of seats out and plywood stripped. Got some rust between the wheel wells and a couple of small holes that I will need to patch.

Took me between 4 and 5 hours. I found a system that I liked: I took out all the seat bottoms, then impact wrenched the side rail bolts. (With a pneumatic impact driver I only had to hold a wrench on the bottom not for a handful of them. The rest came right out.)

Then I took an angle grinder with a grinding wheel and ground a groove into the bolt heads. This also allowed me to get down lower under the head. Without this step I found that I didn't get low enough to clear the head which looked like it was eating up cutoff wheels. Also, when I cut through I had too much of the bolt head remaining to free the seat.

After I had "pre-ground" each bolt, I switched to a cut-off wheel. I finished off the bolts of a seat, lifted the chair rail side first tilting the seat which broke it free from the floor. Then chucked it gleefully out the back of the bus. (Well...gleeful for the first 10 or so...then I got tired.)

Rubber coating was stuck on pretty good. That was tiring.

Plywood, though, wasn't too bad. I found that I would pop up a couple feet, then, instead of trying to wrestle with it, I just took a skill saw and an old blade and cut the loose part off, then continue on. The loss of leverage trying to get a pry bar (even a longer one) 3 feet under just wasn't efficient!


you could always rent one of these to remove the rubber

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