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Old 10-15-2014, 04:26 PM   #241
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It was not that hard in terms of skill. Just time consuming with over 1,500 rivets. Crown headliners are used to help support the rigidity of the roof structure and help strengthen the ability of the roof to handle roll overs. Crowns built from the late 70's on were built to handle the bus being dropped from a height of 25 feet on its roof and the roof would not collapse. The overlapping headliner panels are an integral part of that strength. I have seen some skoolie conversions that modify or even remove their metal headliners. A structural engineer told me not to do that. My concession was to put a rubber tape on the structural roof ribs before putting the headliner back up to try and create a thermal break. The overall strength was retained and now I had an insulated barrier (I used spray insulation closed cell foam) to the cold and heat. I also purchased rivets that had a very low profile. That was because I wanted to put a faux leather headliner up on the roof and I did not want the rivets to show through the smooth leather covering.
Thanks Greg. Yes, I plan to do spray foam insulation exactly like you have done and will definitely be putting the original headliner back in. I actually like the look of the metal headliner, which will save me some money by not having to cover it up. I'll also put some sound deadening material on the top side of the headliner, like I did on my '66 Beetle build here: http://vwblvd.com/?p=391

I've never done riveting before. Is there a particular rivet tool you'd recommend?

Your new shower is stunning! Can't wait to see that installed. If you were to do the interior again, would you have waited to do the flooring and other things, so you could build the shower inside the bus?

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Old 10-15-2014, 11:11 PM   #242
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Yes, I would build the shower first. However, you really have to have complete confidence in your measurements and final placements. We were not so that is why we are building the shower now.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:13 AM   #243
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Hi Missing Texas,

When we decided to start a bus conversion to turn a Crown into our company's software training/demo/trade show bus, we knew that it was way above our skill sets on the more complicated stuff. We knew we would need help. We live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and we knew we wanted to get the help locally so we could easily take it when necessary for work. We found an outfit called Bay Equipment and Repair (BEAR) in Hayward, California. When we took a field trip to Hayward to check them out, we saw them working on the final stages of a bus conversion for the Hayward Police Department. BEAR was turning it into a mobile command center. We also saw them turn an old armored car into a new high tech SWAT assault vehicle. That sold us.

They do metal fabrication, body work, painting, etc. One of the national private school bus fleet operators uses BEAR for all their body repair work on their buses in the Bay Area. The place is packed with giant Class A bus motor homes getting refurbished and modernized. They have a huge paint booth where all their auto painting is done. In short, a class act. Plus, we negotiated a discounted rate for any labor charges. The owner once made his business doing painting and body work on school buses throughout Northern California and had done many a Crown in his day. He has been a partner in this conversion. He is almost as excited as us as we get another phase finished.

Good craftsmanship is hard to find. These guys take absolute pride in what they do. That is why we use them.
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Old 10-16-2014, 12:11 PM   #244
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Yes, I would build the shower first. However, you really have to have complete confidence in your measurements and final placements. We were not so that is why we are building the shower now.
Thanks Greg. I checked out Youtube for some videos on rivets. Looks straight forward enough. But like you said, time consuming because there's 1500 or so of them. What size rivets did you use?

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Old 10-16-2014, 04:38 PM   #245
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Yes, I would build the shower first. However, you really have to have complete confidence in your measurements and final placements. We were not so that is why we are building the shower now.
Thanks Greg. I checked out Youtube for some videos on rivets. Looks straight forward enough. But like you said, time consuming because there's 1500 or so of them. What size rivets did you use?

Wolfy

Looks like I found the riveter tool I'm going to use. It's an air tool, which will be much easier on me than one of those hand riveter tools.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...ter-98898.html
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Old 10-16-2014, 05:31 PM   #246
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Yes, I would build the shower first. However, you really have to have complete confidence in your measurements and final placements. We were not so that is why we are building the shower now.
Thanks Greg. I checked out Youtube for some videos on rivets. Looks straight forward enough. But like you said, time consuming because there's 1500 or so of them. What size rivets did you use?

Wolfy

Looks like I found the riveter tool I'm going to use. It's an air tool, which will be much easier on me than one of those hand riveter tools.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...ter-98898.html
That tool works goooood!
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Re: Journey Begins - 1988 Crown Conversion

Do yourself a favor-spend the money and get some of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-New-1-8-Clec ... 1e6d8766fd
Yes-they will sit in your toolbox for years afterwards-but boy do they make life easier. What they are is a couple piece pin that closes when you use the plier-but open up to 1/8" when released. So you hold your panel up + insert one in a hole + release the plies-it stays like it was riveted. No you go to another corner + install one-and if a few other holes. It holds the panel in place so you can rivet at your own free will.
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Old 10-16-2014, 09:16 PM   #248
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Do yourself a favor-spend the money and get some of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-New-1-8-Clec ... 1e6d8766fd
Yes-they will sit in your toolbox for years afterwards-but boy do they make life easier. What they are is a couple piece pin that closes when you use the plier-but open up to 1/8" when released. So you hold your panel up + insert one in a hole + release the plies-it stays like it was riveted. No you go to another corner + install one-and if a few other holes. It holds the panel in place so you can rivet at your own free will.
That looks like a great tool and will certainly make life easier. Thanks! (Sorry to hijack your thread temporarily Greg)

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STAINLESS STEEL SHOWER IN THE BUS

The stainless steel shower is in the bus. We painted the insulation black on the side facing the outside so it would not show through the tinted black window. We then screwed the window shut so it will not rattle or move behind the shower stall.

Close up of the window screwed shut and the insulation


Shower enclosure positioned near where it will be installed. It is in the bus, which was a miracle all by itself.


Next step is to get it properly positioned and the hole drilled into the floor for the drain. As observed on other threads, we want to make absolutely sure that we do not hit any steel floor beams under the marine plywood floor. Measure, then measure again, and then measure two or three more times before cutting!!!
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TV MOTORIZED LIFT

We have planned to put a large LED flat screen in the bus to be used as a computer monitor when showing our software or training. We needed a very thin lift. Many of them need eight or nine inches of depth and cost a great deal of money. We found this one on Ebay. It was cheaper than any of the others that we liked and had a depth of less than three inches. It has a lift rate of 1" per second. It is going in our cabinet that will also house the electric fireplace. The fireplace will be in front and the TV will lift out of the cabinet behind the fireplace. We only had allocated a cabinet depth of 24" for this area of the bus, so depth size was critical.

This is a Whisper™ 700 LED/LCD/Plasma TV Lift w/ RF Remote by Wood Technology. It can hold up to a 42" screen, which is perfect for the size TV/monitor we got for the bus.

Features include:
Quiet motor operation
Rack and pinion design with unique stability system
Reverse safety function
Only needs 2-13/16" depth behind the TV or Monitor
Travel/Stroke = 27-3/16" (Adjustable)
Height (excluding Lid Lifter) from 23-5/8" up to 51-3/16"
Weight Capacity 145 lbs
Inverted Weight Capacity 60 lbs
Simple & fast mounting, plug-and-play assembly
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110-240 VAC/50-60 Hz; 2 Amp/30 Volt Motor
Lift rate of approx. 1" per second

Includes
Remote Control (RF)
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