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Old 04-17-2010, 08:48 PM   #1
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Just to give you a price comparison, my bus is an international wayne, dt466, Allisonn mt643 tranny, and underbelly storage. Differences are that it doesn't have A/C, it has air brakes (which I personally would highly recommend), and didn't have a wheel chair lift. It is a 91 with 144,00 miles and I paid $1500 for it. I would be shocked if you can't find what you are looking for for less than $5000. Are you only looking at newer busses? Anywho, I think your price limit is more than reasonable. Good luck!!
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Old 04-17-2010, 10:17 PM   #2
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Yeah, you probably will have a lot more difficulty with the parameters than the price, finding that exact combo. You might have trouble finding one with hydraulic brakes. Most international with the DT466 seem to have air brakes, at least that is what I have noticed. Thanks for the compliment on my bus! It has been a LOT of fun and I have been very blessed. I can't wait to see the finished product
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:02 PM   #3
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Don't be discouraged, it will likely take a while to find just the right bus for you. You may need to compromise on one thing or another. We compromised on the engine we wanted, and in return got a pretty good price. We also compromised on the make, and have no complaints, we wanted Bluebird, but found a very similar Thomas.
Keep looking, and I made a thread about all the most likely places to find a bus, you might want to check it out, and watch those sites. There are a few big places to keep on your speed dial/favorite sites list for a while until you find it. Do a search for it, I asked for it to be stickied but it never happened. It is a pretty comprehensive list, and I will edit it at anyone's request.

Here, check it out. It should maybe be in the classifieds section, not sure.
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Old 04-19-2010, 12:17 PM   #4
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Hi and welcome-

We wanted a Thomas but wound up with an Amtran 444. Got it for 2000, has needed some repairs all said and done about 3000 in it. Take a look around your area after the school year see whats out there. Maybe even contact first student. In your area it shouldn't be hard to find one that is retiring. I can point you to our bus dealer. They are in New Jersey if you want to take a road trip, http://www.roxburyauto.com/bus/bus.html

Call them up ask for Manny- they will take the seats out for you, Bring 3k with you walk around the lot, pick one you like and drive it home... great people to deal with. It is a scrapyard so you can get parts- and all kinds of goodies while you're there. Check them out.
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Old 04-29-2010, 03:35 AM   #5
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Dont forget to haggle on price. Most of the time they will list a high price, but settle for a bit less. It never hurts to ask how firm them are on price.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:30 PM   #6
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It sounds like a good set-up, and depending on how heavy it's been used/mileage- I don't think the price is out of line.
It's no steal, but the seller wouldn't be taking you for a ride, either.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:15 PM   #7
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I wouldn't run WVO in it. An indirect-injection motor (which I also wouldn't run it through) does the real injection event when the mix is blasted out of the prechamber vent by a bit of the combustion. The injection system is more crude--pressure is low, spray angle doesn't matter as much, parts are cheaper, whole engine is cheaper. That 466 is direct injected and the injection system is at a much higher pressure, spray angle and pattern matter and so the fuel needs to be as thin as diesel when it injects. Heating it might work, but does it stay at the correct viscosity all the way through the injectors? If it doesn't you can have leftovers in the combustion chambers. I wouldn't be surprised if the acids in fat don't eat some engine parts as well. Or if the stuff doesn't gum up delicate parts.

I would WVO an old Rabbit, but not a $5,000+ DT466. You might have gotten the bus cheap, but screw up anything in that engine and you'll realize that you bought a very expensive vehicle at a very low price. If you do a conversion and invest thousands, then suddenly the motor junks out, what are you going to do?

I would give it only diesel fuel, but taste the fuel before pumping it into the tank to make sure it isn't poisoned. It's the most valuable part of the bus. And it's not like you are going to commute with it. It will sit and rot in your tank and the racoons and 'possums will be crowing under the bus worshipping it.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:51 AM   #8
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I'm sure you'll research the WVO thing extensively, but even if you do it, it would probably be wise to do it a year after completion it to see how much you drive it.

I think you'll get 10mpg or better.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:14 PM   #9
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Many, many people have put many thousands of miles on engines converted to WVO, both direct and indirect injected. The important thing is to do a lot of research and make sure you fully understand what you are doing, otherwise you will likely encounter problems. I've been running my indirect injected Mercedes on WVO for at least 30,000 miles and it runs as good as ever. I have a couple friends who run Ford powerstrokes, which are direct injection, on WVO and have also done so for at least as many miles as I have. I plan on converting my DT466 bus, and have already started to gather the necessary parts for the conversion.
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Old 07-06-2010, 03:19 PM   #10
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It's not easy to find WVO sources. I've found that your best bet is to find small mom & pop restaurants that are less desireable for the big rendering companies to deal with and pay. You will probably get less oil from each restaurant, so you may have to line up several sources. This varies depending on what part of the country you live in. Whether or not rendering companies offer to pay restaurants or vice-versa seems to vary quite a bit depending on where you live, and even varies within any given city.
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