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Old 04-23-2010, 06:24 PM   #21
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I would love some good pictures of the doors on the back, when you get a chance. Hinges, latches, etc. I have been considering a similar setup on our bus. If I can find something with the style doors I want in a scrap yard, I really might cut them out and transplant.
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:25 PM   #22
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Sure. When I get it home from MD. I'll take lots of photos.

I called CarQuest today and ordered the belts. They list a serpentine belt and two AC belts for the 1998, TC2000 BlueBird Bus. I hope I got the bus Model correct. I really have no idea for sure. I ordered them for $85.00. I plan to take them on the plane for the drive back. Just in case.

How do you check the transmission fluid? Is that under the engine cover? What kind of transmission fluid would it use? I think it has an allison 545. Or something like that.

How about the rear axle? Will that just be a plug to remove? Should I use 80W90 or heavier?
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:01 AM   #23
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Welcome!

No personal experience, but reading about some shake-down/homecoming trips here, the most common problem experienced seems to be a loss of power that gets cured with new fuel filters. Based on those stories, I would probably always carry spare filters on board, even before carrying fan belts. And figure out how to get the air (if any) out of the fuel line after a filter swap. As always, "Your mileage may vary."
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:55 PM   #24
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Air brakes?
Yep, I can just barely see the knob if I zoom in on the pic of the driver's area.
You have better eyes and a better monitor than I do, then!
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:57 PM   #25
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I stopped by the local school bus garage today and told them about my bus. They just shook their heads. Said that the cummins engines leak all over the place, and the "lift pumps" go out around 85,000 miles, That the injector pumps go out around 100,000 miles and cost $1700.00 They said that a front engine was almost impossible to work on and that you have to tear off the whole front of the bus to get at it.

Did I make a bad choice? Or is the 5.9 Cummins and flat front busses not as bad as they made out?

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Go to www.turbodieselregister.com and start reading their tech pages. That's the same engine used in 1989 to early-1998 Dodge pickups. They have FAQ's and fixes for the few issues the 5.9 has. The biggie: I think 98's have the KDP problem. It's bad news if it fails, but a $40 fix to prevent. The only reason I didn't get a 5.9-powered Bird or Thomas is I didn't want an AT545 transmission.
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:02 PM   #26
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Sure. When I get it home from MD. I'll take lots of photos.

I called CarQuest today and ordered the belts. They list a serpentine belt and two AC belts for the 1998, TC2000 BlueBird Bus. I hope I got the bus Model correct. I really have no idea for sure. I ordered them for $85.00. I plan to take them on the plane for the drive back. Just in case.

How do you check the transmission fluid? Is that under the engine cover? What kind of transmission fluid would it use? I think it has an allison 545. Or something like that.

How about the rear axle? Will that just be a plug to remove? Should I use 80W90 or heavier?
Trans should use regular Dexron (probably calls for Dexron II, Dexron III is fine), dipstick/filler will be in the bus accessed through the doghouse...IIRC, right side of the engine near the back. You'll need a long funnel. Oil is also checked & filled from inside. PS fluid (usually also Dexron), usually through the access panel at the driver's windshield wiper. (Don't look at me, I didn't design it.)

Rear end will have a plug to check oil (though I don't recall where). I'd use the 75W-140 synthetic blend...Wal-Mart has it for about three bucks a bottle.

Oil will be 15W-40 diesel oil, probably between 3 and 4 gallons.

Two belts are listed probably because early-98's like yours have the 12-valve Cummins. Late-98's (aka: 1998.5's) have the electronic 24-valve Cummins. Alternately: maybe A/C versus non-A/C. (Or maybe both...)
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:36 AM   #27
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with that cummins 5.9 motor and those low miles, you won't need any tools or spare parts.

good sam club roadside assistance is an excellent tool that can be carried in your wallet.

buses run for a long time, and that cummings motor will run forever.

good luck
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:55 PM   #28
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Hopefully you made it home ok. Congrats...I'm drooling over those rear doors.

For the Cummins motor, they are probably complaining about the 24v 5.9s rather than the 12v 5.9s, which made the transition around 1998-1999. The 24v motors had bad injector pump problems to the point that they admitted it later that it was a problem. A somewhat popular conversion was to mount the old 12v injector pump on the 24v motor. Another solution was to get a fuel pressure guage. The problem came when the fuel pump would go, the injector pump was too weak to handle pulling fuel to the motor, so it would go out. Adding a fuel pressure guage and pulling over as soon as the fuel pressure guage shows your pump died tended to solve the problem, if I recall. Anyone please correct me if I got it wrong...it has been a few years. I loved the old 12v motors. I've had two of them.
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:59 PM   #29
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I have been pretty busy here at work but wanted to update everyone on my bus recovery efforts.

I got my bus home from Maryland after a 21 hour journey on the road. The parts and tools I took with me worked out great. The original wiper blades were rotted off so I swapped those. The batteries were dead but I found a new set at "battery Warehouse" just down the street. They delivered them to the bus for me to install, they were heavy but not too hard to change as they sit in a slide out drawer that rolls right out. I had brought extra battery clamps with me which came in handy as the old clamps needed new bolts.

I greased everything I could (especially the drive shaft) before I moved the bus. And after some confusion as to how to turn off the parking brakes, I headed to the nearest gas station to fill up with diesel. Then I headed for Wall mart where I purchased all I would need to do an oil and transmission fluid change which I did right out in the parking lot. I filled all the tires to 100lbs pressure and changed out the headlights for the brighter Sylvania X-travision bulbs since I would be driving at night. After getting something to eat I rolled for home about 8Pm to avoid most of the traffic around Baltimore, MD.

I drove for about four hours and stopped to sleep at a rest stop. I didn't do too bad laying on the bus seats and left the bus idle so the air operated door would stay shut tight. I locked the back doors with a couple chain links and padlock so I felt pretty secure.

The PA turnpike is horrible!! The road is incredibly rough, Sometimes I thought I would bottom out the springs, Concrete barriers inches away on both sides, It was not fun. Once I made it into Ohio all went smoothly. Mountains and all, I averaged 9.89mpg on the way home.

The bus runs well but I have some concerns about the transmission. The engine is governed at 2400 rpm. And up and down most mountain roads it would hold pretty close to 2400rpm. Regardless of the speed of the bus. If I let it get down to 45mph it would downshift but make a horrible whirring/squealing sound like it had a bearing or shaft failing, or something turning too fast upon the downshift? If I downshifted it myself it sounded O.K. and just went to the next lower gear. Do Allison 545's have an overdrive gear? Also when starting up, when the transmission shifts from first to second gear it makes a squeal/squawk for about 1 second when it changes gears from first to second gear only. And mostly after the transmission is hot.

Since I got it home I have stripped out all the seats and the black rubber and plywood floor which was completely rotted in some areas. Mostly in the far front and rear of the bus. The sheet metal underneath is pretty good and I am now trying to figure out how I will recover the floor. Plywood, like before? Is there a composite material that will be more moisture resistant? Should anything be put on the metal before the subfloor material?

I will probably be selling about 8 of the fold down bench seats, if anyone needs any. I don't want to ship them though. Let me know.

The bus has a neat fiberglass ramp stored under the rear. I didn't even know it was there until after I got it home and was looking underneath and found it.

I am having some trouble with the right rear gargo area door. The cables to the paddle latch broke. I ground off the rivets that hold it on, but even when I grab the cables with vice grips i can't pull hard enough to open the door. I think the latches must be rusted tight.

I'll post some more recent photos since I got it home.

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Old 06-01-2010, 05:02 PM   #30
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Here are some more photos of my progress.

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