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Old 04-26-2016, 12:57 PM   #11
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I'm almost embarrassed to say, I paid $8500 for mine. But to me it was worth it. It already has a white roof, which I'll paint over with HyTech insulating paint, tinted windows, and highway gears. it has 162k miles on it and appears to be rust free.

Wish I had an owners manual but I don't. You'll have a head start on me but as soon as mine gets here I'll be happy to share whatever I find out as far as original equipment and how it works.

Is your's a 40 footer as well?
Mine has a white roof as well, tinted windows, 40 footer, and its a 6-speed but the 6th gear is locked out. Is your 6th locket out as well? Rust free was worth it, I've got quite a bit of scaling rust underneath that I'm going to have to clean and repaint this summer.

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Thanks for the name of the dealer. I looked through their current inventory and they have a large selection at decent prices. Did you do any haggling or pay the listed price? Are the buses in IN under strict inspection regulations like NY and a few other states? If so I would expect to see them in pretty decent shape and retired with lower mileage than less regulated states. What kind of shape are the mechanicals on the bus (tires, brakes, etc)? Wondering if I bought one there would it be ready to make the drive back to VA right off the lot? How did the other buses on the lot look as far as mechanical condition and rust?
Sorry for all the questions but it's good to get first hand feedback from someone who has just been to a dealer that has a large selection of buses. Looking forward to your build!
I couldn't haggle on mine due to the ridiculously low price, but they may be able to on something a bit newer. Indiana has state inspections on their buses so if it passes they shouldn't have any rotted out supports, good tires, etc. Mine is still certified to deliver children through September of 2016. When I took a drive around the lot most of the buses seemed to be in pretty good shape, they have a full service mechanic shop there. Other than my intake hose rupturing, I had no problems driving it 300 miles home. I also don't have a CDL with airbrakes and had no problems from that either.

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what a great lookin bus!!! Love it..

im not in Michigan but im in central ohio.. we need to find some southern michigan / ohio / indiana skoolies and all meet somewhere in the middle!! would be fun!

-Christopher
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I looked at mccaslister , they have some really nice busses there.. some good deals, some not.. but they definitely have some Gems!

what a great way to practice what you are doing in school too, you can learn about the 'E' part of the engine too and get good at it!! thats where the $$$ is at after school, troubleshooting and repairing the electronics..
-Christopher
The E is a pain in the @$$, but it will be well worth it to have the knowledge.


Sorry it took me so long to get back to everyone, we have a busy weekend in the bus. We managed to remove all but 7 seats (keeping those so I have 14 available passenger seats until I'm ready to do new seats) and out of all the seats I removed, I only had to use the grinder to cut off 2 bolts. I managed to get all the seats out by clamping on to the nuts underneath the bus with a pair of vise-grips and having a friend ratchet tem from above. I'd say maybe 10 bolts came out clean and the rest just snapped which made things easy. We also removed the panels above the windows that contain the speakers and lights , and got started on the 20349570923784 screws in the ceiling. Lots of them are stuck, stripped, or painted over so I ended up picking up a pretty nice Milwaukee grinder to turn them into flatheads for ease of removal. About 10 wraps of gorilla take around the hose has been holding up until my new one comes in tomorrow. I'm hoping sometime this week to black out the stop signs and continue removing the ceiling.

Some of the rust on the body rails:


Main frame rust isn't great but it isn't terrible either. Should be manageable.


Hard to tell., but front tread is pretty good.


Rear tread is beeeeeeefy.


This is the only real spot of rust on the exterior of the body:


Installed a lock on the back door:






My buddy on the roof:


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Old 04-26-2016, 02:03 PM   #12
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Mine has a white roof as well, tinted windows, 40 footer, and its a 6-speed but the 6th gear is locked out. Is your 6th locket out as well? Rust free was worth it, I've got quite a bit of scaling rust underneath that I'm going to have to clean and repaint this summer.



I couldn't haggle on mine due to the ridiculously low price, but they may be able to on something a bit newer. Indiana has state inspections on their buses so if it passes they shouldn't have any rotted out supports, good tires, etc. Mine is still certified to deliver children through September of 2016. When I took a drive around the lot most of the buses seemed to be in pretty good shape, they have a full service mechanic shop there. Other than my intake hose rupturing, I had no problems driving it 300 miles home. I also don't have a CDL with airbrakes and had no problems from that either.



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The E is a pain in the @$$, but it will be well worth it to have the knowledge.


Sorry it took me so long to get back to everyone, we have a busy weekend in the bus. We managed to remove all but 7 seats (keeping those so I have 14 available passenger seats until I'm ready to do new seats) and out of all the seats I removed, I only had to use the grinder to cut off 2 bolts. I managed to get all the seats out by clamping on to the nuts underneath the bus with a pair of vise-grips and having a friend ratchet tem from above. I'd say maybe 10 bolts came out clean and the rest just snapped which made things easy. We also removed the panels above the windows that contain the speakers and lights , and got started on the 20349570923784 screws in the ceiling. Lots of them are stuck, stripped, or painted over so I ended up picking up a pretty nice Milwaukee grinder to turn them into flatheads for ease of removal. About 10 wraps of gorilla take around the hose has been holding up until my new one comes in tomorrow. I'm hoping sometime this week to black out the stop signs and continue removing the ceiling.

Some of the rust on the body rails:


Main frame rust isn't great but it isn't terrible either. Should be manageable.


Hard to tell., but front tread is pretty good.


Rear tread is beeeeeeefy.


This is the only real spot of rust on the exterior of the body:


Installed a lock on the back door:






My buddy on the roof:


Nice! That's just light surface rust on the frame, should clean right up with some rust neutralizer or a wire wheel. Awesome looking bus!
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Old 04-26-2016, 02:17 PM   #13
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Mine has a white roof as well, tinted windows, 40 footer, and its a 6-speed but the 6th gear is locked out.
Give Allison a shout, tell them what you're doing with the bus and they can authorize 6th being unlock.

I've got a few years younger than yours ('03 RE), but stuck with a 545. When I can get around to it, I'll probably swap it for a 6 speed.

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We also removed the panels above the windows that contain the speakers and lights , and got started on the 20349570923784 screws in the ceiling. Lots of them are stuck, stripped, or painted over so I ended up picking up a pretty nice Milwaukee grinder to turn them into flatheads for ease of removal.
#2 Square bits work really well on the ceiling screws. I pulled my ceiling down over the space of a day with one.
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Old 04-26-2016, 02:26 PM   #14
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Give Allison a shout, tell them what you're doing with the bus and they can authorize 6th being unlock.

I've got a few years younger than yours ('03 RE), but stuck with a 545. When I can get around to it, I'll probably swap it for a 6 speed.



#2 Square bits work really well on the ceiling screws. I pulled my ceiling down over the space of a day with one.
Square bits are a great idea, I'll have to see if I have some laying around or go buy some. I called Allison and they said something about the bus probably not having the correct drivetrain components to handle the 6th gear, but also said I could take it to an authorized dealer to have the components inspected and they would tell me for sure.
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Old 05-16-2016, 12:26 PM   #15
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I've been making decent progress on the interior removal, sorry for not having more updates for you guys. School and work keep me busy, but expect more updates soon

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Old 05-18-2016, 05:57 PM   #16
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I will be mostly done with my conversion and moving back to Michigan in December. I am getting a bit of flat-nose fever now, but I still love my carpenter dognose! It has it's own charm... all mechanical, tried and trusted.

I'm actually going back to school as well. I considered diesel mechanic... but settled on other passions. I will be going to Central up in Mt P.


Very nice bus!
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:43 PM   #17
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I like the carpenter Body... afyer 1986 the headroom inside is good.. mine is all mechanical.. and runs great.. though I blew up the air compressor today but still I like the indistrial feel and charm of the carpenter interior.. plus its easy to add A/C to!
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Old 05-31-2016, 03:35 PM   #18
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Gotta love living in surburbia... just got the boot today due to city ordinances. Not sure where I'm going to put it now, but on a positive note this forced me to plate it with the plate "BUSHAUS"

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Old 05-31-2016, 04:19 PM   #19
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Gotta love living in surburbia... just got the boot today due to city ordinances. Not sure where I'm going to put it now, but on a positive note this forced me to plate it with the plate "BUSHAUS"

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Wow, that sucks. Hope you can find another place to store it and work on it. Good luck.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:20 PM   #20
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To make things even better all my coolant is now in the oil pan and I need to get towed

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