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02-15-2017, 06:03 PM
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#41
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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the in frame kit should have new pistons and liners matched as well as bearing inserts.. since you never spun a bearing you shouldnt have to turn the crank
-Christopher
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02-15-2017, 06:06 PM
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#42
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
Rated Cap: 84 Kids/56 Adults
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
the in frame kit should have new pistons and liners matched as well as bearing inserts.. since you never spun a bearing you shouldnt have to turn the crank
-Christopher
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I haven't pulled pistons yet to examine bearings. I'm hoping I don't have any spun. I don't have the means currently to pull a 1500lb engine out of the front of the bus, nor do I have an engine stand to remove the crank to have it ground.
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02-15-2017, 10:19 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lebanon, IN
Posts: 272
Year: 1998
Chassis: TC 2000 bluebird
Engine: 5.9 cummins
Rated Cap: 66
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Harbor freight has a 2000lb engine stand on sale for $125. And their 2 ton engine hoist is only $220.
It might be easier with a forklift though.
It is doable, but would be easier on concrete than gravel.
When you get it running again, lets talk about an Ohio/Michigan/Indiana rally. I think there are quite a few in the tri state area and it would be great to meet fellow converters, and a lot of fun.
Bill
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02-15-2017, 10:21 PM
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#44
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
Rated Cap: 84 Kids/56 Adults
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Originally Posted by miltruckman
Harbor freight has a 2000lb engine stand on sale for $125. And their 2 ton engine hoist is only $220.
It might be easier with a forklift though.
It is doable, but would be easier on concrete than gravel.
When you get it running again, lets talk about an Ohio/Michigan/Indiana rally. I think there are quite a few in the tri state area and it would be great to meet fellow converters, and a lot of fun.
Bill
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I am all for meeting up. Hoisting won't work where I'm at currently, I'm parked in my back yard about 30-50 feet from concrete unfortunately. If I manage to sell my car and pick up a cummins ram pickup I'll be able to pull her up to the concrete and consider pulling the block
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02-20-2017, 03:50 PM
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#45
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
Rated Cap: 84 Kids/56 Adults
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02-20-2017, 03:59 PM
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#46
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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good thing for sleeved cylinders.. this thing can get a new lease on life..
good deal on the crank journals.. those are the scary ones...
-Christopher
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02-20-2017, 04:02 PM
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#47
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
Rated Cap: 84 Kids/56 Adults
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
good thing for sleeved cylinders.. this thing can get a new lease on life..
good deal on the crank journals.. those are the scary ones...
-Christopher
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Sleeves are a great thing. Now I just need to figure out a plan to get them out.
I'm hoping that since the rod journals are in great shape, none of the main bearings will be spun
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02-20-2017, 04:04 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,762
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Man, way to go!
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02-20-2017, 04:18 PM
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#49
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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ive only ever seen sleeves yanked with a tool made for the purpose.. I saw it done on a Semi truck engine once and they were in there pretty good..
wonder if someplace like sunbelt rentals or such would have a tool like that..
-Christopher
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02-20-2017, 04:20 PM
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#50
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Amtran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
Rated Cap: 84 Kids/56 Adults
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
ive only ever seen sleeves yanked with a tool made for the purpose.. I saw it done on a Semi truck engine once and they were in there pretty good..
wonder if someplace like sunbelt rentals or such would have a tool like that..
-Christopher
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Some of my teachers suggested a seal driver with a Jack. They only have to move about a half inch to pop them past the oring and then they slide it easy from there
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02-21-2017, 01:26 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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This is a proprietary tool so you'd have to buy it, but it might be reasonable.
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02-21-2017, 01:28 PM
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#52
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
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Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-fox
This is a proprietary tool so you'd have to buy it, but it might be reasonable.
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The navistar official tool is about 1000 bucks
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02-21-2017, 01:35 PM
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#53
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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theres a guy on ebay selling a tool for $100
his is a pretty simple design..
this guy cointinues to make these tools you just have to contact him directly and see if he can set you up.. the auction is ended but he has had many...
Automotive or Tractor cylinder crank in sleeve puller | eBay
-Christopher
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02-21-2017, 04:47 PM
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#54
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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It looks like you pay him first, then he fabs up the tool specific to your diameter.
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02-22-2017, 06:54 PM
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#55
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 120
Year: 1999
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Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
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When things get too hot the piston will melt over the pin hole
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02-22-2017, 07:05 PM
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#56
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,707
Year: 1991
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Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
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ivce seen this happen from steam in a cylinder... likely coolant from a liner leak coupled with the over heat it will definitely steam a piston like that
-Christopher
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01-11-2018, 09:59 PM
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#57
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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Year: 1999
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Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E Allison 3000
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I'm sorry everyone, I've been terrible with updates. I finally got around to removing a liner, and I cleaned the head gasket surface of the block. I ended up finding a crack between the counter bore and a head bolt hole, so my block is junk. Within 2 weeks of making this discovery I had a used engine propped up with a 2x4 in my garage.
Next steps for me include rebuilding the used engine, dragging my bus from the back yard up to the concrete driveway, and swapping the engine. All in the dead of winter.
When I get a chance I'll upload pictures for you guys of what I've been up to.
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01-11-2018, 11:18 PM
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Sorry to hear about the bad string of luck with the motor. Glad to hear you are still pursuing the dream and have secured a good engine.
Take some pictures/video of the engine swap for us armchair warriors.
Oh, didn't know you were from Motor City- no wonder you found a new one so easy- the streets are paved with motors..... We make it out to the Land of LaCroix regularly. (Warrren).
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01-12-2018, 06:18 AM
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#59
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,762
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmattarn
I'm sorry everyone, I've been terrible with updates. I finally got around to removing a liner, and I cleaned the head gasket surface of the block. I ended up finding a crack between the counter bore and a head bolt hole, so my block is junk. Within 2 weeks of making this discovery I had a used engine propped up with a 2x4 in my garage.
Next steps for me include rebuilding the used engine, dragging my bus from the back yard up to the concrete driveway, and swapping the engine. All in the dead of winter.
When I get a chance I'll upload pictures for you guys of what I've been up to.
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I'll be following along!
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01-12-2018, 06:19 AM
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#60
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,762
Year: 1999
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Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmattarn
The navistar official tool is about 1000 bucks
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Navistar's prices are ridiculous. I'm sure someone else makes one for a few hundred bucks.
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