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Old 11-20-2011, 06:13 PM   #41
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Don't paint the whole bus white! You will rip your hair out trying to keep it clean!
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:45 PM   #42
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Don't paint the whole bus white! You will rip your hair out trying to keep it clean!
hahaha thats probably very true. I think in the end we will go with the dark forest green. That way when we are in the woods we will blend in nicely : ).
I always thought white would look really cool during our Canadian winters, though at times it might make it difficult to locate!
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:30 PM   #43
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If you plan to go ANYWHERE warm, use a light color, especially on top. I would paint the top of it white or silver to reflect heat. I painted the roof (everything above the stock windows height) white on both of mine, and it helps a lot. On my B700, when parked in the sun in Florida, the roof was warm, the sides (gray) were very warm, the rubrails & trim (maroon) were too hot to touch, the bumpers (flat black) were hot enough to burn.

My Genesis is just light blue (with white roof), though it will get added to this coming spring.

Also, I suggest using flat black, or at least a flat version of whatever color you choose, for the top of the hood to eliminate reflections & glare.
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:08 PM   #44
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Have to agree on the white/light roof. Makes a huge difference in absorbed heat.

As for the rib question...I was talking about the gap in the original ribs where the roof was raised. I know you have the square tube in place but are you planning on "filling in" the space between the upper & lower ribs with new sections of rib over the square tube? The square tube by itself does not resist flexing anything near as well as the original ribs plus it provides a surface for attaching new skin. When the two are combined & welded together it should provide all the stiffness needed (that's according to a Blue Bird engineer I consulted with on my 19" raise). I bought several complete ribs and cut what I needed to connect the upper and lower existing segments.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:23 PM   #45
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I painted my bus with machinery green industrial acrylic paint, applied by an airless sprayer. Water based paint, half hour to paint, fifeteen minutes to clean the machine. Looks great, and the bus, sitting in front of the trees and shrubs, hides well. Did I say--it looks great. Not good by paint brush or roller, though.

When you get rid of the yellow, you'll like your bus even more.
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:48 AM   #46
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As for the rib question...I was talking about the gap in the original ribs where the roof was raised. I know you have the square tube in place but are you planning on "filling in" the space between the upper & lower ribs with new sections of rib over the square tube? The square tube by itself does not resist flexing anything near as well as the original ribs plus it provides a surface for attaching new skin. When the two are combined & welded together it should provide all the stiffness needed (that's according to a Blue Bird engineer I consulted with on my 19" raise). I bought several complete ribs and cut what I needed to connect the upper and lower existing segments.
IMHO, as the original 1-piece ribs have been cut, they lost almost all their former strength. Patching a short filler piece probably will not help a lot. A better way will be to run diagonal top-to-bottom pieces inside the wall (front top to rear bottom corners within some panels) where they do not interfere with windows. Best places would be the 4 body corners and midship (ideally top rear corner down forward at rear and top front rearwards at front).
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:37 PM   #47
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Have to agree on the white/light roof. Makes a huge difference in absorbed heat.

As for the rib question... I bought several complete ribs and cut what I needed to connect the upper and lower existing segments.
Where do you get complete ribs? From factory? Even '86? I like that idea alot.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:57 PM   #48
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This comes from another 2 foot roof raise. It does look quite a bit stronger
This is exactly what I was writing about.
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thommassey --- roger the factory ribs. They have remained virtually unchanged for a very long time. In fact, they are the same ribs they used on the high dollar Wanderlodges at least until the late 90's or so and may still. Blue Bird will only sell them as complete, one piece units. No such thing as "repair sections". They are extremely particular about how their buses are repaired and take the engineering very seriously. In fact, they really flinch at any modifications at all, let alone the kind most conversions involve. As you may know, the Birds have the strongest body/chassis combination of any skoolie and they are quite proud of that fact. If I hadn't been living on Georgia at the time, right down the road from one of their engineers, I probably never could have gotten an opinion regarding a roof raise. They won't even discuss it "officially". There are actually quite a few locations around the country that service the Blue Bird school bus line and I happened to have one here in Houston where I did my raise and the ribs were not that expensive. Check with the factory for the closest location.

I too had considered adding diagonal braces, but the Bird tech advised against it...unless I did it all the way around. His logic being that adding them here and there would create strong points that would cause uneven loading, and uniform loading was one of the major engineering goals of their design. Not to say it won't work, but since I'm no structural engineer, I went with his advice. He was also adamant about keeping the front and rear caps in tact, as the overall design is very dependent on the strength they provide the rest of the system.
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[b]... They are extremely particular about how their buses are repaired and take the engineering very seriously. In fact, they really flinch at any modifications at all, let alone the kind most conversions involve. As you may know, the Birds have the strongest body/chassis combination of any skoolie and they are quite proud of that .... He was also adamant about keeping the front and rear caps in tact, as the overall design is very dependent on the strength they provide the rest of the system.
Strong reasoning for me to reconsider roof raise... but, since it is my first bus, I may go with one similiar to "New project", just not so tall. Maybe 12-18 inches.. with the integrated roof rack/deck. Won't be carrying much as far as load (so I say now)
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