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Old 03-18-2015, 06:21 PM   #21
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If you ever plan on using a RV park, you'll need the outlets or drains on the drivers side of the unit.

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Old 03-18-2015, 06:24 PM   #22
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Hey Wauto – we've heard that before, but our layout works much better with the tanks on the pass. side. We won't be in parks too often, and we'll make sure to carry longer hoses for the times that we are. We're young and flexible so it shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience.
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:41 PM   #23
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Think about this also,

You will want solid PVC tube to go from gate valve to dump if going from one side to the other 12+ ft of flexible will be a pain

So maybe plan to have the gate valve be 90* to sides so a simple 90* bend and a straight 8ft PC of PVC I think 4" or whatever will allow a short flexible hookup on driver side

Maybe even make it permanent if it clears driveshaft or rear of bus
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:36 PM   #24
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Looks like you guys are going to do an awesome job of converting your bus....I'll be staying tuned in!
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Old 03-19-2015, 09:38 AM   #25
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We've made a ton of progress since I last posted, so here's a quick update. Last week we met with an RV jack of all trades who was incredibly helpful. Initially we thought he would only be looking at our plans for wiring, but he ended up walking us through every step of building the bus and had a ton of insightful advice for us.


Our new layout. It's similar to the old one, but takes a few specifics into account.


First, and most concerning, was that our fridge was in an impossible spot. We had it on an interior "wall," which wouldn't work because it needs to be vented directly outside... big problem. We spent a few afternoons last week re working the layout to move the fridge, include a "normal" square fiberglass shower, and add a bit more storage space.

We ended up moving the fridge to the corner space underneath the counter, which will mean that the door will open underneath the little island. Not ideal, but we have to work with what we've got.

We also downsized from a queen sized bed to a full size bed to fit in our square 32"x32" shower. I think this is actually a really good choice. We had put the queen in there originally because we already have the mattress, but we've lived happily with a full in the past and could really use the extra inches.

Though a lot of our time last week was tied up in planning, we did make some good progress on the projects we had already started! Keep reading for more info.

1. Filled the holes in the metal floor
In my last update I mentioned that we were planning on using silicon caulking to fill the holes in the floor. At the recommendation of our local hardware store we ended up using "Henry's Rubberized Wet Patch Roof Leak Repair" instead. This stuff was sticky and covered all of the little holes easily. For the bigger holes we added some grid tape to give some extra structure to the putty, so it didn't fall through.



Here you can see the Henry's and the grid tape that we used for a bigger hole.


2. Installed the subfloor
Installing the subfloor was a little trickier than we thought. For stability we decided to run 2x4's down the sides and the middle of the bus, screwing them directly into the metal floor. We used sheet metal screws but it was still very difficult to get them in. Eventually we started pre-drilling the holes, but the bits kept breaking, which led to many trips to the hardware store.



2x4's Added!


Once we had the 2x4's installed we added 1 3/4" rigid foam board insulation to the spaces between the boards. Fitting and cutting the insulation was much easier than installing the 2x4's!

The last step for the subfloor was installing the 3/4" plywood cover. These were pretty simple as well, and they went down smoothly.

The subfloor in the driver's section was a little trickier. We decided not to insulate with foam board around the driver's area because it had so many weird shapes and is partially open to the engine. We are also planning on using a different type of flooring up front that should (hopefully) make it easier to skin the areas underneath the pedals and around the stairs. For now, the driver's area has a layer of new 3/4" plywood. Cutting the shape was an adventure!

3. Removed the heater hoses
Though the previous owners shortened the heater hoses a little bit, we needed to shorten them much more to work with our layout. I started working on them without doing much research – never a good idea. Surprise, they were full of coolant fluid! Luckily I was able to seal them back up before they leaked all over the bus. We weren't sure how much was in there but we let them drain overnight and ended up with over 5 gallons of coolant. Once they were empty we trimmed the hoses down and reattached the connector. They're not totally gone, but they're much more manageable now.

Unfortunately, we didn't drain the coolant into a clean bucket so we had to buy some replacement fluid for the engine. The NAPA guys were quite confused when I asked for coolant for a Caterpillar 3126... after looking at the computer for a few minutes one of them said "miss, are you sure you've got these numbers right? That's an awful big engine." Yes, it's a school bus! Anyway, got three gallons of coolant for a cool $60.


Coolant draining. This stuff is nasty and SUPER poisonous to dogs, so we were really careful with it.


4. Installed the FAN-Tastic Fan vent
We're trying to finish up all of the exterior stuff that needs to happen before the spray foamers come (hopefully next week!) and the fan was one of those things. We'd ordered it a few weeks ago after hearing some great recommendations and are pretty excited about it.

Will used a drill and a saber saw to cut a hole in the roof, then we popped the fan in with a layer of butyl tape in between the roof and the plastic to hopefully keep it from leaking. We added some plywood around the edges on the inside of the bus so that the screws would have something more than the metal to grab on to, and screwed it down. Then we caulked over everything with some 2-in-1 sealant that I found at Home Depot. We haven't tested the waterproofing yet... here's hoping that it holds!



Fan from the inside of the bus


5. Made a plan for Solar
We also realized that if we're going to bolt our solar panels to the roof, they need to be done before spray foaming as well. Unfortunately, the brackets that came with them are too short to use on our curved roof, so we had to improvise.

First, I went to Home Depot looking for some large, "C" shaped brackets. The guys didn't understand what I was asking for for a good 15 minutes until I held up two "L" brackets to show them the shape I needed. It was a lightbulb moment: "OH! You want a **U** bracket!" We were finally speaking the same language, but I was still out of luck.

After not being able to find a large U bracket anywhere, we came up with a new plan. We are going to build a plywood frame that we can bolt to the curved part of the roof that will make it the right heigt for the smaller brackets that came with the panels. So, I bought the 2x4's, Will and his grandpa Bob cut them to the appropriate lengths and angles, and I painted them white so they won't rot. We haven't installed them yet, but I'll let you know how it goes!


Will moving a panel up to the roof to see how it will fit



6. Puppy time!
OK, this isn't really an update, but I can't not share it. We only put in 3/4 of a day on Saturday because our friends Scott & Taryn came over with their new pup, Sierra! So adorable.

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Old 03-19-2015, 11:06 AM   #26
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very nice work
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Old 03-20-2015, 02:58 PM   #27
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Hey guys, we are trying to remove our front door right now and are having a real time of it. It's an air operated jackknife. We've removed all the screws we could find, but it seems like there is still a pin holding it on top and bottom. Any ideas?
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Old 03-20-2015, 03:10 PM   #28
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Open the cover plate inside the bus above the door.

There will be stuff in there you need to disconnect.

Yours may be different, but that should get you started.

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Old 03-20-2015, 03:13 PM   #29
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Hey Nat, thanks for the quick reply! We did disconnect the wheel & air but can't get at the piece holding the door near the hinges. :/
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Old 03-20-2015, 03:19 PM   #30
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Could it just be some seam seal glue or rust holding it?

Are you reusing the door?

If not, cut the bugger in half with a angle grinder.

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First, and most concerning, was that our fridge was in an impossible spot. We had it on an interior "wall," which wouldn't work because it needs to be vented directly outside... big problem. We spent a few afternoons last week re working the layout to move the fridge, include a "normal" square fiberglass shower, and add a bit more storage space.

We ended up moving the fridge to the corner space underneath the counter, which will mean that the door will open underneath the little island. Not ideal, but we have to work with what we've got.

We also downsized from a queen sized bed to a full size bed to fit in our square 32"x32" shower. I think this is actually a really good choice. We had put the queen in there originally because we already have the mattress, but we've lived happily with a full in the past and could really use the extra inches.
I would suggest a quick fabrication that simulates your fridge installation. If your location is what I'm picturing in my mind, I would never get used to reaching under a countertop and essentially around a corner to get into the fridge. I would end up cutting off the peninsula to get direct access to the fridge front.

What will be behind the bed and shower? It looks like you have a little hallway that goes around behind the bed to a small closet/storage space.

When I originally planned my interior, I also had an angled corner base cabinet in my kitchen. They can be great when you fill that space with a double-shelf Lazy Susan. By putting the sink in that cabinet, the plumbing may inhibit the amount of "useful" storage in the cabinet (you may not be able to spin a Lazy Susan). I realize you don't have a lot of options, but a normal 24"-deep base cabinet may give you better access to the back of the cabinet.
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Old 03-20-2015, 06:14 PM   #32
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You're right – it's not super ideal, but for us the benefit of more counter space outweighs the inconvenience of reaching under. If it ends up being a huge pain in the ass, we'll just shorten the counter later.

Behind the bed / shower is our garage area. We'll be traveling with a lot of outdoor gear – mountain bikes, climbing stuff, skis, etc., and we want to be able to keep it organized and separate from the rest of the living area. We have a big emergency exit back there so getting in and out shouldn't be too much of a hassle!

Not sure I follow re: corner cabinets. We organized the kitchen this way so that both of us could work in the kitchen at the same time – I will be able to access the prep area and stove while Will washes dishes simultaneously. Moving the sink to the straight counter would mess up that flow and increasing the depth on the straight counter would decrease the amount of space we have for a diagonal sink... It's like a game of compromise tetris! Luckily we have a pretty large cupboard area right between the bathroom and the kitchen so I think we'll be able to recoup some of our storage there.

On another note – it seems like you have some serious plumbing expertise! I'm trying to order my tanks right now (thinking two of these for fresh / gray, don't need a black) and I'm having quite a time figuring out what fittings to attach, and where they should go. They'll be mounted underneath the bus, right under the kitchen and bathroom. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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These are the tanks I bought (x2) from RVBoatParts.com. They are cheap, but that price doesn't include shipping. The total bill was about $650 delivered. The shipping was pricey because they were strapped to two pallets and that takes up a lot of space on a truck. Also, they were sold as fresh water tanks, so they didn't include fittings for a large, top-mounted, toilet drain entry. Polyethylene can only be fitted with heat-welding—glues won't stick to it—so make sure whatever you get has the correct fittings for its intended use.

Any fresh water tanks mounted outside the heated interior will need to have some kind of heating system if you intend to travel to freezing climates. Black and/or gray tanks can be treated with anti-freeze to keep them in liquid form, but you can't add anything to potable water to keep it from freezing. I think most people mount them inside the bus to avoid the freezing issue.

I used CPVC for my water supply fittings and pipe because it's dirt cheap, but PEX is only a little more expensive and closer to fool-proof for most first-time plumbers. I made a couple of videos showing my plumbing setup:

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Make the drain on your grey tank big (2inch).
Made mine 1 inch takes too long to drain.
You are off to a good start.
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Pex all the way, start to finish.

Simple, no messy glue, and last's longer than any human. Also freeze resistant.

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