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11-24-2018, 12:08 PM
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#241
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Prep & Etch vs Ospho?
Well....
I used a cup brush on my 7" polisher and went over the entire floor focusing on the areas with surface rust. The blew & swept until I had thing cleaned up.
Then I mixed a little TSP with hot water and scrubbed the floor with a carwash brush and rinsed with a garden hose.
After it was mostly dry I applied Prep & Etch as I cannot find Ospho here. I waited a bit and the areas the were really active I hit with a second coat.
Now that it is all dry I have two issues. There is a white residue on everything. It is pretty well wtuck to the floor. A good application of the wire brush gets rid of most, but not all of it.
Also, the areas that had more significant rust turned black and looked solid. Well, they are not solid. The black material chips off easily.
I am in the process of wire brushing the whole floor again.
When I get it brushed should I wash it again? Or just go ahead and apply the Rustolium Rusty Metal Primer?
I spoke with Aserailtech the other day and he had some similar issues. Anyone else here dealt with this?
Thanks.
S.
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11-24-2018, 12:12 PM
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#242
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Another little step forward. Back deck metal:
Got the piece for the back deck from the fabricator and installed.
I was really nervous about the fit. I was sooo relieved when we set it in place and it only took two tiny cuts to trim it for a great fit.
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11-24-2018, 01:13 PM
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#243
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: N.C.
Posts: 1,136
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 34
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That back deck looks great.....nice job.
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11-24-2018, 03:06 PM
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#244
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Thank you Don.
I am pleased with the progress.
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11-25-2018, 11:35 PM
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#245
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 290
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Amtran Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 84
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That deck looks good Steve! Have you decided whether the back windows are staying? As I remember you are going with a 24 volt solar system. I seem to remember you already having inverters, have you decided on the charge controller and battery set up yet?
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11-26-2018, 06:15 AM
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#246
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Bus is now a notchback.
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11-26-2018, 10:49 AM
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#247
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Asetechrail
That deck looks good Steve! Have you decided whether the back windows are staying? As I remember you are going with a 24 volt solar system. I seem to remember you already having inverters, have you decided on the charge controller and battery set up yet?
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Thanks Kent,
I am leaning towards the midnight classic charge controller and 4x L-16 batteries in series.
I am probably going to cover the back windows with metal.
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12-03-2018, 11:25 AM
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#248
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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It's raining in my bus.......
In an attempt to clear the ice off of the roof, as I need to climb up there this morning, I started the propane about an hour ago.
I just went out to check on it and the entire interior of the bus is wet and dripping.....
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12-03-2018, 11:32 AM
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#249
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,846
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I dont dig any type of open flame inside a bus.. gas / propane burn with lots of moisture.. those up north probably notice all the steam coming out of the stack. when someone's gas furnace kicks in.. thats all combustion moisture..
I like a heat exchanger type system for that reason...
-Christopher
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12-03-2018, 11:43 AM
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#250
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 21
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re: the back deck.... BRILLIANT!!! That's using the old noggin! Looks GREAT!!!
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12-03-2018, 12:07 PM
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#251
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
I dont dig any type of open flame inside a bus.. gas / propane burn with lots of moisture.. those up north probably notice all the steam coming out of the stack. when someone's gas furnace kicks in.. thats all combustion moisture..
I like a heat exchanger type system for that reason...
-Christopher
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no doubt!
It's been a while since I ran an open flame propane heater. I was surprised at the sheer volume of water.
Well, it did the trick.... The ice is melted...
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12-03-2018, 02:03 PM
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#252
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Brevard County, FL
Posts: 911
Year: 1990
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Ford
Engine: 6.6 New Holland Diesel
Rated Cap: 60 kids, 10 window
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Thanks Kent,
I am leaning towards the midnight classic charge controller and 4x L-16 batteries in series.
I am probably going to cover the back windows with metal.
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I'm running the midnite classic 200. It's been working like a charm.
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12-04-2018, 11:02 AM
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#253
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjakitty
I'm running the midnite classic 200. It's been working like a charm.
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I was pretty sold on Victron until I found out about a feature on the Midnight that others do not.
That will allow me to significantly overpanel while limiting current into the batteries to a preset level.
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12-04-2018, 11:27 AM
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#254
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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12-04-2018, 12:01 PM
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#255
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
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Charging FLA batteries too rapidly boils the electrolyte out of the batteries. Charging too slowly will cause sulfating of the plates.
With the charge current limiting I can panel for Seattle weather and not boil my batteries when I head for AZ.
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12-04-2018, 01:40 PM
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#256
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Incremental progress.... Back Deck almost done.
We got the bulkhead piece cut and clamped in place.
As soon as the ice melts on the deck I am going to start riveting.....
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12-04-2018, 01:41 PM
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#257
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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One item of note.....
Dytron seam sealer is a PITA when it is 29F outside.....
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12-04-2018, 02:57 PM
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#258
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Cleco's
These things are really handy where they work.
I tried using them on the side metal and there was too much "tension" and they wouldn't hold.
The "back deck" metal was bent and trimmed to fit and lies nicely. The Cleco's worked much better here.
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12-04-2018, 05:17 PM
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#259
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
These things are really handy where they work.
I tried using them on the side metal and there was too much "tension" and they wouldn't hold.
The "back deck" metal was bent and trimmed to fit and lies nicely. The Cleco's worked much better here.
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Looks beautiful, man.
I bought a bunch of cleco's and haven't had a use for em yet.
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12-04-2018, 05:29 PM
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#260
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Picton,Ont, Can.
Posts: 1,956
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: Cat 3116
Rated Cap: 72
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Bulkhead looks well fitted, nice work. Can picture some work of art painted on it, maybe a tunnel.
John
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