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Old 05-26-2014, 11:04 AM   #31
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Gotta ask...is there room in the above layout for someone from the rear bunks to get to the bathroom without climbing over the big bed?
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:09 AM   #32
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alwaysFlOoReD ~ I think I read that on another thread (from you!), and have that added to my demo arsenal in my brain! Luckily, all my wall and ceiling panels are screwed, rather than riveted, but I don't think I will get away without finding some rivets, somewhere that need decapitation!
In regards to the wall panels being screwed on instead of riveted:
My dad claims that I have to re-rivet my wall panels back on because they have to do with the bus being structurally sound (because of horizontal shift I guess) but I do NOT want to put those things back on, but if buses are made with panels that can screw off, maybe they figured out it wasnt necessary for being structurally sound? Can anyone give me any more info or ideas about that? Also, mega jealous. I have so many rivets
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Old 06-27-2014, 10:43 AM   #33
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There has been a lot of discussion here regarding the inner skin. A number of folks tossed it, mostly because it is a PITA to get back up, others feel there is no structural benefit except maybe in a rollover. My position is the result of having chats with a retired BlueBird engineer who lived just down the road in Douglassville, Georgia. He was adamant that the interior skin played a vital role in the overall structural integrity and had to be in place to resist torsional forces over the road. If you picture a cross-section of the body as being like a ladder with the ribs as rungs and the skins as the rails...then take away one of the rails and imagine how well it handles torsion.

I'm no structural engineer, but his argument made enough sense to convince me to leave it intact on the 40' BBAA I was working on at the time. My advice is simply to do some homework and consider how the decision affects the structure before tossing any sheetmetal.

NOTE: Any "Real" engineers are welcome to jump in here and add to this conversation since it seems to be a decision many on this forum face and the resulting decision is potentially significant...or not.
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There has been a lot of discussion here regarding the inner skin. A number of folks tossed it, mostly because it is a PITA to get back up, others feel there is no structural benefit except maybe in a rollover. My position is the result of having chats with a retired BlueBird engineer who lived just down the road in Douglassville, Georgia. He was adamant that the interior skin played a vital role in the overall structural integrity and had to be in place to resist torsional forces over the road. If you picture a cross-section of the body as being like a ladder with the ribs as rungs and the skins as the rails...then take away one of the rails and imagine how well it handles torsion.

I'm no structural engineer, but his argument made enough sense to convince me to leave it intact on the 40' BBAA I was working on at the time. My advice is simply to do some homework and consider how the decision affects the structure before tossing any sheetmetal.

NOTE: Any "Real" engineers are welcome to jump in here and add to this conversation since it seems to be a decision many on this forum face and the resulting decision is potentially significant...or not.
I'm not a real engineer but I play one on TV and I agree 100%.

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I was also warned by a structural engineer that the metal headliner had to be maintained for structural integrity. In Crowns the headliners are overlapping and then riveted into the structural ribs on the roof and sides of the bus. He was adamant that removing the headliner was fine to do insulation, but that it must go back up in exactly the same way (overlapping and with rivets) to get the same level of structural strength and integrity. I also heard the same thing from a Crown salesman years ago when I was talking to him about my dream of a Crown RV.
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