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Old 07-31-2014, 12:40 AM   #31
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Roof lift height?

I'm thinking an 18" lift on the roof, because the windows are 30" tall, and a nice even 48" would be easy to work with the sheet metal pieces.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:42 PM   #32
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Re: The Broccoli Bus

hey there, for your roof raise is it possible to drill out all the rivets around the front and the back then cut the ribs in all the windows and raise roof. Don't know if this is possible in a Bird but on my Thomas that seemed to be the easiest way to raise the roof, you can check out what we did on the Akitabus. After we finished the majority of the change over I ran the bus through the WA State patrol inspection facility in Bellevue, WA and they signed off on it.... they really never inspected anything other that looking through the interior and talking about how cool it was.... its a waste of time and money but it is required in order to bet tabs.

looks like a great project and super platform to start with.

check out ours, Akitabus

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Old 08-01-2014, 01:52 AM   #33
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Re: The Broccoli Bus

I just read through your entire build project and I am really impressed. The paint job really brought it together, and your interior is wonderful. It gives me hope that I'll be able to be persistent at this, because each post I note the date and realize it just takes TIME to make it happen right.

I considered removing all the bucked rivets from the front and back and lifting as you describe. However, I'm concerned about how much strength I can put back into the fasteners - I don't have the tooling to put bucked rivets back in. This is why I have been considering a sloped front and rear, because the inherent strength of the "book ends" of the bus are still there.

I went to issaquah and I've already got the bus converted to a vehicle type "MH" and have plates. No inspections no nothing. I got the run-around from kent licensing, as they were demanding an emissions test (try wedging a 40' bus in the emissions stalls!) and scale weight.

I am really looking forward to working on the skinning project so I can get it prepped for paint before it gets too deep into fall. I'd love to be out working evenings in the dark inside the vehicle instead of the exterior.


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hey there, for your roof raise is it possible to drill out all the rivets around the front and the back then cut the ribs in all the windows and raise roof. Don't know if this is possible in a Bird but on my Thomas that seemed to be the easiest way to raise the roof, you can check out what we did on the Akitabus. After we finished the majority of the change over I ran the bus through the WA State patrol inspection facility in Bellevue, WA and they signed off on it.... they really never inspected anything other that looking through the interior and talking about how cool it was.... its a waste of time and money but it is required in order to bet tabs.

looks like a great project and super platform to start with.

check out ours, Akitabus

good luck.

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Old 08-01-2014, 09:28 AM   #34
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I don't have the tooling to put bucked rivets back in.
If you have an air compressor, you're half way there. A used 4x rivet gun for solid rivets on eBay will set you back $100-150. I bought mine for $120. Sure glad I did. Solid rivets are cheaper and plenty more strong. The hard part is finding a willing helper, since it's a two person process. Oh, and they seal up the hole, unlike standard blind rivets. Now, they do sell closed blind rivets which will seal the hole, but the cost is astronomical. Remember, you should be using steel rivets since the base metal is steel.. Aluminum is the most common material for blind rivets, but mixing metals will result in galvanic corrosion

You'll also need a bucking bar if you plan on going the solid rivet route. They can be purchased on eBay for $20-30. I bought one, but ended up also using chunks of steel that I got for free at a local steel warehouse. They often will have a scrap pile that they don't care much about.

Some pictures: http://books.google.ca/books?id=ViUm...w%20to&f=false

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I considered removing all the bucked rivets from the front and back and lifting as you describe. However, I'm concerned about how much strength I can put back into the fasteners
That is essentially what I did, for the back of the bus anyway. I also removed the rivets on the left and right side of the front roof piece so it could be pried up and the sheet metal slipped underneath it. Putting the rivets back in wasn't a huge deal. It's just a bit tight up there.
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Old 08-02-2014, 04:33 AM   #35
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Thanks for the advice. I've really never done much riveting before, just lots of tig, mig, brazing, etc. I think I can find a volunteer to hold the bucking bar (aka, heavy piece of properly shaped scrap steel) I just need to come up with a rivet gun.

It would make lifting the roof a lot easier I think.

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I don't have the tooling to put bucked rivets back in.
If you have an air compressor, you're half way there. A used 4x rivet gun for solid rivets on eBay will set you back $100-150. I bought mine for $120. Sure glad I did. Solid rivets are cheaper and plenty more strong. The hard part is finding a willing helper, since it's a two person process. Oh, and they seal up the hole, unlike standard blind rivets. Now, they do sell closed blind rivets which will seal the hole, but the cost is astronomical. Remember, you should be using steel rivets since the base metal is steel.. Aluminum is the most common material for blind rivets, but mixing metals will result in galvanic corrosion

You'll also need a bucking bar if you plan on going the solid rivet route. They can be purchased on eBay for $20-30. I bought one, but ended up also using chunks of steel that I got for free at a local steel warehouse. They often will have a scrap pile that they don't care much about.

Some pictures: http://books.google.ca/books?id=ViUm...w%20to&f=false

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I considered removing all the bucked rivets from the front and back and lifting as you describe. However, I'm concerned about how much strength I can put back into the fasteners
That is essentially what I did, for the back of the bus anyway. I also removed the rivets on the left and right side of the front roof piece so it could be pried up and the sheet metal slipped underneath it. Putting the rivets back in wasn't a huge deal. It's just a bit tight up there.
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Old 08-02-2014, 11:04 PM   #36
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Re: The Broccoli Bus

I got a few hours this afternoon to work on the bus, here is what got done.

Windows out, anybody need some tinted ones? I'm doing the pacific northwest rain dance which is to start a project phase that gets everything wet if the weather is bad.


I have the left side window frame skins out, working around the emergency door exit is interesting. I'll need to weld in some new supports for it. I plan on keeping the door in the same position and size, so I'll add a little skin over the top of it.


Picture of the workspace as it currently is. I'll probably work on the right side skins for a little while longer tonight and call it a day.
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Old 08-02-2014, 11:13 PM   #37
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OK so its not a bus but I thought you guys would like to see a Unimog with an ambulance body. About as legal to drive as the bus was when I took it home.
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:26 PM   #38
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All the window frame skins are removed. At this point I need to go buy some steel so I can raise the roof onto something, since I am fresh out of skyhooks.

I am lacking helpers for the roof raise, anyone in the Renton wa area want to volunteer? I can pay with food and drink and skoolie forum fame.
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:48 PM   #39
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green goop

Anyone know what this green goop is? I'd like to get more of the same when installing new sheetmetal. If its not cheap or easy to come by I'll probably stick with a common seam sealer I suppose.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:17 AM   #40
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