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Old 08-12-2013, 07:12 AM   #171
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Have you seen the welds holding the walls and roof together on the buses we got? Yours look amazing compared to them. I'm almost thinking of going over a bunch of the bus welds they are so bad.
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:16 AM   #172
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I do need more windows, but not gunna drive 500 miles for them. Also that rear seat of the bus, that steel hump is just for show. Nothing under it. Just an FYI incase you didn't know.
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Old 08-12-2013, 08:22 AM   #173
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Also that rear seat of the bus, that steel hump is just for show. Nothing under it. Just an FYI incase you didn't know.
I wonder why it was there?
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Old 08-12-2013, 09:25 AM   #174
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I like your plan for the roof raise, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes out. It seems much easier to not include the front and rear end caps in the raise, and just raise the "middle" section that has no irregularities, as you are doing. If I ever did one, I would be thinking along the same lines. Speaking of lines, the rear part of the roof raise looks a bit odd to me in the way it abruptly drops to the standard roof. That may just be a limitation of your artistic rendering, but maybe a slope like you have on the front would make it look nicer? Or even if you had a small rack or solar panel or something like that which would be functional and also give the perception that the roof line continues on the same plane. I dunno, just some thoughts for you to consider. Whatever you end up doing, I have a feeling it's gonna come out awesome!
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:43 AM   #175
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Speaking of lines, the rear part of the roof raise looks a bit odd to me in the way it abruptly drops to the standard roof. That may just be a limitation of your artistic rendering, but maybe a slope like you have on the front would make it look nicer? Or even if you had a small rack or solar panel or something like that which would be functional and also give the perception that the roof line continues on the same plane. I dunno, just some thoughts for you to consider. Whatever you end up doing, I have a feeling it's gonna come out awesome!
Actually the slope scares me, I'm not a sheet metal fabricator. Going straight up would be easier. I got the idea from the old Wonderlodges, they went straight up.



Or use a higher slope and put a window in it like the old Greyhound Scenicurisers

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Old 08-12-2013, 12:39 PM   #176
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Went through your blog post to see the details of the "roof raising mechanism". Mechanism is a good word, solid. I understand better now, how it is going to work. I think it should be fairly trouble free for you, as it looks well thought out. My only concern would be ( 5/16" (at least that's what I think I remember you saying they were) bolts holding the weight of the roof. I would try to calculate if that is adequate, if you haven't already. Seems like they could shear off, or at least bend/deform. Then again, since it is only the ribbing and sheet metal, and not even the end caps, it is likely lighter than I am thinking. I would still verify if it was me, though.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:21 PM   #177
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Thanks Jake, a second pair of eyes is a good thing. Here are my calculations, let me know if I'm forgetting something.

Roof sheet metal is 20 ga, 1.5 lbs per ft2.

I'm raising 25 ft. Total ft2 is 25' x 9' = 225 ft2 x 1.5 lbs = about 340 lbs

U Channel support 16 ga, 2.5 lbs ft2.

U Channel is 6" total width x 9' accross = 4.5 ft2 x 11 support = 50 ft2 x 2.5 lbs = 125 lbs
So my total weight will be around 500 lbs.
There are cross members that are about and inch square and the emergency exits. So for caution I saying around 700 lbs. That would put 175 lbs or just under 200 lbs on each Ram Support.

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Bolt NF Thread Grade 2 Iron Bolt
Diameter Shear Shear
(inches) (at thread root) (Full Bolt)
1/4 200 370
5/16 340 575

I have two bolt on each Ram Support.
Let me know where I went wrong before the roof collapse on me when I raise it. I don't want any monday morning quarterbacking here.
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...Actually the slope scares me, I'm not a sheet metal fabricator. Going straight up would be easier...
I hear ya man. I wonder how much it would cost to get a shop to make the sloped panels for you. If it were me, and I didn't want to spend the $$ on getting custom made panels, then I suppose I would go straight up and then try to find some way to make it look more cosmetically appealing. Small skylight type windows like the Greyhound pic you posted might actually be pretty cool. Or just put some bling up there like the air horns on that Wanderlodge, that makes it look like the space was especially carved out for that purpose. I'm getting better and better at making mistakes and/or awkward spaces, look like they were "supposed" to be that way!
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Thanks Jake, a second pair of eyes is a good thing. Here are my calculations, let me know if I'm forgetting something.

Roof sheet metal is 20 ga, 1.5 lbs per ft2.

I'm raising 25 ft. Total ft2 is 25' x 9' = 225 ft2 x 1.5 lbs = about 340 lbs

U Channel support 16 ga, 2.5 lbs ft2.

U Channel is 6" total width x 9' accross = 4.5 ft2 x 11 support = 50 ft2 x 2.5 lbs = 125 lbs
So my total weight will be around 500 lbs.
There are cross members that are about and inch square and the emergency exits. So for caution I saying around 700 lbs. That would put 175 lbs or just under 200 lbs on each Ram Support.

I found the safe working loads for bolts here.

Bolt NF Thread Grade 2 Iron Bolt
Diameter Shear Shear
(inches) (at thread root) (Full Bolt)
1/4 200 370
5/16 340 575

I have two bolt on each Ram Support.
Let me know where I went wrong before the roof collapse on me when I raise it. I don't want any monday morning quarterbacking here.
Looks like you got it covered man!! I had a hunch it might be substantially lighter than a was thinking.
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I was surprised that it would be this light, but with the windows out there isn't much left.
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