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Old 01-26-2011, 10:57 AM   #61
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Re: The Land Barge ...

Looks like your coming along even with the winter ...brrrrr. Keep us posted with the progress
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:45 PM   #62
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Re: The Land Barge ...

Another couple of not-so-below-freezing days, so more floor progress ...

End of Saturday:


And, I cleaned up the stand-alone bench seat (with four feet!), which included taking off the metal plate you see behind it:


Today, I got the top bar off the seat and cut it down about 7 inches, and did some dirty but functional welding to yield:


In fact, I got all three of the seats set in place to set the underfloor bracing:


And by the end of the day, had all the firring strips and insulation cut for the main seating area:



But at a cost. I killed a wonderbar and my angle grinder chewed up it's teeth :

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Old 04-16-2011, 08:50 PM   #63
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So, more slow work being done, and I finally uploaded some pics (and more work done since these). But at least there's some progress ...

Some of the wall studs are going up, after the floor (except for the bathroom) get insulated and subbed ...


And, I'll be working it around the roof exit hatches ...


One seat, cut down, and fully bolted down ...


Also, frames around/over the wheel-wells ...


I still need to get a pic of the vintage Drive-In speakers that we picked up. We got five and three of them had perfect speakers, two I have to replace because the bass rattles them badly ...
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Old 05-04-2011, 04:34 PM   #64
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Re: The Land Barge ...

Well ... Here are some pics of the latest work.

These are the rest of the studs of the bathroom walls ...





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Old 07-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #65
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So, it's been a long time with no work, due to time and money issues, but recently we got to do some.

Over the 4th, we went down to try to remove/salvage a 1970's RV trailer. It was in a swampy field across from a stream that had eroded the base of the roadway down from the top of the hill where the main road is. It also hadn't been used at all for 5-6 years.

I had loaded the bus with all the tools I could think would be useful, plus lumber and plywood to help with moving the trailer. My wife brought my truck, since it's 4wd, so that we could tow the trailer or have a fixed point to winch from in the field if there wasn't a tree handy. It was a great day for a dive, and the bus did well on the hills, even with the engine temp getting up over 200 degrees. It was only 40-some-odd miles in each direction, and we learned that our dog who -always- throws up on car trips didn't in either direction in the bus.

When we got there we saw that it seemed to have sunk down into the muck around it, and noted that it not only didn't have tires, but no rims either. It was on some wooden blocks that had sunk in, such that the springs for the axles were sunk under the muck. And with the erosion around what was the culvert at the base of the hill, we couldn't get the bus or the truck down there (though the road down the hill was in really decent shape).

We quickly realized that, since it had no wheels, and while I could budge it with the come-along and chains, it wasn't going to be towed up to the barn to be dismantled. So, we started to take out the stuff that was worth salvaging.

We got out a LP pressure regulator and shutoff, a LP fridge, a LP furnace, a LP stove/range, stainless sink, fresh water tank (about 50 gal, I'm guessing), water pump, 30 amp AC breaker box, and RV toilet, as well as associated access hatches and vents. My wife and the boy were huge helps with this (the boy got out the furnace, and my wife got out the sink & got me access to the stove), and the boy salvages a whole bunch of the cabinet hardware he could reach. She also started removing clearance lights and such. But one of the things that I'm really happy about is that we snagged a RIVA plaque.


Unfortunately all of this stuff needs to be cleaned up, since there were mice in there (one escaped from the oven while I was working on removing it) and maybe other animals as well. And a lot of it is rusty, though I'm figuring on painting the stove with some high-temperature paint. I'm hoping that the fridge and stove work, as they're fairly important elements. The toilet is actually porcelain, and the works seem good, so I'm guessing I could rebuild it fairly easily if need be.

All in all a really productive day. We would have done more, but it was the 4th and we were slated to see fireworks with some friends, and that all worked out.


Does anyone know if one of the small propane containers (like for a burns-o-matic torch) will have enough pressure/volume to test the fridge or stove, or should I go and just buy myself a 20lb tank? (And no, I can't just steal the one from the grill, I'm strickly a lump charcoal guy. )
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:01 PM   #66
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Re: The Land Barge ...

You can probably still get parts for it. We have a vintage Mansfield Traveler 910 (predates Sealand) and I can get parts for it... Regular ROUND toilet seats will fit. You don't have to buy special, just go to Lowes/Home Depot/WalMart and get a ROUND seat.Floor flange we used was for a home toilet. We needed a thread to thread into the black tank. (sit black tank in place, thread toilet flange into the tank from inside bus, shim tank to where the flange is snug to the floor. strap tank in place then screw flange to floor). Buy NEW rust free toilet bolts from hardware store. We set the toilet in place after first putting a dot of silicone/elastometric on the bolts... once they are in correct place -- painters tape to hold snug to top edge of flange until dry-- It seems to greatly reduce the hassle factor.

For Traveler toilets (they never changed the design)...
How to Understand and Repair a SeaLand Marine RV Toilet

You probably need to replace the Vacuum Breaker (pita to get compression fitting out of the china part of the toilet slow and steady pressure (PLUS a "lube" on the rubber seal inside the china part of the toilet helps greatly... dish soap, KY or Vasoline... whichever you have) since it most likely froze or the seals have rotted.

You really need to replace the teflon ball seal & the toilet floor gasket before you install.

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Old 07-06-2012, 10:28 PM   #67
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Thanks Lorna!

You are a wealth of knowledge as always ...
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:35 AM   #68
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the small propane tanks have enough pressure.. problem is that unless you modify the torch valve, they will not put out enough i have found... on a project i was working on a while back, i used a small drill and modified the valve and orifice for a torch, so that i could get liquid propane and lots of flow..
not something i would reccomend someone do who hasnt worked with propane, but it works fine.
also the small tanks last only about 2 min worth of propane before it runs out...
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:58 PM   #69
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The pressure in idle LP tanks is more a function of temperature than how much liquid it holds. Stored tanks could be at 100-200 psi in summer heat, and maybe 2-4 psi in sub-Arctic winters. The pressure keeps all the liquid from boiling to a gas, like a radiator cap raises the boiling point of engine coolant.

The pressure regulator in a plumbed propane system usually reduces the boiled-off vapor fed to the appliances to about 0.25 psi (7 water-column inches), and maybe 0.50 psi (14" H20) to a 10 kW generator. A two-stage regulator might have 10 psi (277" H20) between the first and second stages.

When you draw the vapor to an appliance, tank temperature and liquid surface area affect how fast the liquid can boil off to replace what has been drawn off. Draw it much faster than the liquid can boil, and the pressure will plummet. A torch/stove bottle will vaporize faster tilted into the diagonal Coleman Stove position than upright, due to the greater surface area at the liquid/gas boundary.

So, comparing an unregulated stove bottle with a tank and regulator is an apples to oranges type of proposition. The correct answer to your question is, "It depends . . . "

Obviously, Chev49 has some experience with these tests. I only have experience with bottles for torches, lamps, and stoves; and tanks for grilles, ranges, furnaces, and generators.

I did get a tank adapter and hose for our emergency portable catalytic heater, but haven't tested it yet . . .
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yeah, you use water column tests to test the appliances... if ya had none, you can make your own.
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