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Old 02-18-2007, 02:51 PM   #151
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lift gate?

If you have air brakes on your bus why don't you but a couple of air cylinders on that tailgate to raise and lower it. Canti-leavered on each side would do it. There are plenty of them on Ebay. If you use small lines like 1/8 inch then it will raise and lower slowly. Heck you wouldn't even have to use a valve, you could just put quick disconnects on the up or down side. No hydraulics, no pumps, no leaks. sportyrick,
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:41 PM   #152
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That's a great idea. But it requires that there is air in the system. After a day or two of
opening and closing, I would have to start the engine. So my thinking is to counterweigh
the tailgate with springs, so anybody can open and close it anytime. That's what the
gaps on the sides of the tailgate are for -- the springs live in there. Just a few more days
before those springs go on, I think.
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You amaze me. I can't wait to see the whole thing skinned.
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Old 02-18-2007, 10:06 PM   #154
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All right, those rear corners are finally done. We just wrapped the skin around
to the 1” square uprights I installed yesterday. There is one main strap that pulls on
the angles that are C-clamped to the skin, and several small straps that help get
it snug. Even a wood block, for some dumb reason or other.



Here is the other side, and you may be able to see the main strap better -- the
one that is hooked to a C-clamp.



With the skin as snug as we could reasonably make it, we installed rivets thru a
piece of aluminum flat stock for reinforcement. Yes, Peter is here again.
The last step was to cut off the excess skin with the angle grinder.



The result looks better than I deserve. (Only the left side is complete in this shot.)
Sometimes, winging it works!
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Have you thought about either adding a rub rail or removing a rub rail? Removing them would be purely aesthetic being that you have them down on the bottom with such a huge gap where you re-skinned followed by the roof on top. Removing them might add that Prevost look. Adding another one or two up on the skinned portion would also serve to balance out the look while providing some reinforcement which might not be a bad thing either. I dunno....I think it really is just a minor detail. The bus is really starting to take shape.
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:50 PM   #156
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How do I tell his children that their daddy has been reduced to a pile of charred bones?

This is fire country, so when I weld or grind, I keep the garden hose near by, with
a squeeze nozzle, and the faucet all the way on.
Millicent’s tailgate was in the horizontal position, resting on a sawhorse, and my
Able Assistant was under it, measuring something. I was topside using the
tailgate as a work bench and burning holes with my trusty Lincoln Spark-O-Matic.
Buzzz, buzz from the welding.
Suddenly I hear a different buzzing or hissing from underneath, and Peter cries
out in distress.
Oh Dear. I have electrocuted one of my best friends -- and a darn good helper he
was. I look underneath, expecting to find a smoking carcass.
There sits Peter on the ground, holding the garden hose, which he SAT ON and
filled his hip pockets with ice cold water. :P


Hey, that suggestion of cutting sheet aluminum with a plywood blade running
backwards in the SkilSaw instead of an abrasive wheel -- it works slicker than hot
buttered bikinis! I seemed to get more burrs as the wax wore off, so re-waxing
often is a good idea. Fast, neat, no dust or smoke or smell, not even particularly
noisy. Thank you for that info!


Roughly the rear half of the bus is skinned now. It’s slow work, drilling and pop-
riveting. Some work is wasted or done over for no good reason. I read that
Thomas Edison also made a few false moves before he got the light bulb to glow!
I wound up cutting away two of the eight diagonals I had welded into window
openings for extra strength -- I needed vertical pillars there to join the new skin.

The skin goes down behind the rub rail and up behind the “eyebrow” above the
window openings. Drilling out all the rivets along the top of the upper rub rails...
-- kind’a provided an answer to that suggestion about removing all the rub rails
for a smoother look. I’ll just have to be real smooth myself!

We wedged the rub rail away from the body a little bit, and slipped the skin
behind it.



Then we bowed the skin out until we got the top of it under the eyebrows. Note
that the skin is just barely into the gap under the eyebrow.



This was the toughest part. Like the first skin panel that I trial installed a while
ago, we had to drive the sheet up into the gap under the eyebrow. We did this by
beating upward on the scraps of angle that we C-clamped to the sheet. Here it is,
finally as high as it will go. No rivets along here -- it’s just wedged in there. And I’ll
probably caulk it.



Now we could rivet it in place. First at the rear-most pillar, and then we made it
as tight as possible with a ratchet strap before putting the rest of the rivets in.



Maybe it looks goofy to have window eyebrows where there are no windows, but
guess what; I DON’T CARE!
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:08 PM   #157
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Looking good!!! Hey, Mr Naess, you still have those jacks with the roof lift guides? Sometime here in the future I'm going to definitely be using your method to raise my roof and was wondering as to the availability of say "renting" those jacks for say... Oh... Shipping with a refundable deposit to cover the original cost of the jacks? Refundable upon return of the jacks to you???
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I'd be happy to lend them out. Les is already in line, and Kevin -- both in Washington state.
But postage would be considerable -- that stuff is heavy!

Actually, I'm convinced the big jacks are not needed. The roof is not all that heavy.
Two of us jostled it up and down a bit when we were trying to get the corners just so.
For the jacking, I think you could use some old scissors jacks or just about anything.
In fact, I bet you could use a 2x4 as a lever with some miscellaneous wood blocks.
Or six sturdy guys fueled by Domino's pizza. Specially if you are not going up as
high as I did. (Remember, I went up about 30" and back down to 23" -- a detour which
turned out to be entirely unnecessary. )

So all you really need are guides. This part I believe is important. You want the roof
to go NOWHERE BUT STRAIGHT UP (AND DOWN). My guides are made to accomodate
that 30" movement. With a shorter lift, you could make guides that are more stable.
Give that some thought, and then we'll get back to it.

Oh yeah, the best would be if I could visit you, like I may do with Les and Kevin
(Kevin is one of my Kinetic Sculpture Racing pals). But Illinois... that won't be until
April 2008, when I plan to take Millicent to Baltimore.
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Are you using steel or aluminum pop rivets? Also..backing plates or no? I sure do hope you have an air rivet gun...
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:16 AM   #160
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1/4" aluminum with steel mandrel.

No washers. Many places we cannot get to the back side anyway. I'm using
different lengths, depending on how many layers of steel are there.
Now, on the rear corners, where we bent the skin 90 degrees, requiring
quite a bit of force, there is a full length plate on the outside, to make it
nice and flat and secure. I can take a close-up of that if you like.

And I don't need no stinkin' pneumatic riveter -- I have Peter.
Actually, it takes very little force with all the leverage of this two-fisted
tool. The tool is slipping however, after just 300 or so rivets, so I may
need to replace the jaws.
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