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Old 09-05-2008, 09:01 PM   #451
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Re: The Millicent Chronicles; two foot roof raise, big tailgate


Yeah, some nice fabrication on those "sports spectator" buses.
Very nice Aggies rear porch indeed. Notice stairs just in front of bumper. And fabulous structure on the Longhorns bus!

Andrew, I have 15 feet and a few inches of cargo room in the rear of Millicent. That's just enough to roll "Henry Ford Goes Surfing" in there. If you build an Aggies style rear porch,... well, you'll just have to subtract the porch lenght from the interior space, won't you. (I don't think the Aggies rear porch is extended -- the overhang looks normal to my eyes.) Or am I missing something in your question?

I just took a snap shot of my new trailer and Millicent's "draw bridge". Stand by....

Continuing... Here we go....

Ah gots yer Big Back Porch right heh'ah, fellas!:



That's my new trailer. 25 feet long for a total of... yep, 65 feet. (We don't tell anybody that the Peterbilt grille sticks out a bit extra.) For now, it has just some scrap plywood for floor, but it serves adequately. This trailer is alarmingly low to the ground, yet it did not scrape on the trip to Burning Man. The "secret", of course, is that the axles are so far rearward. With the tailgate dropping onto the trailer, and the rear of the trailer so close to the ground, loading of Kinetic Racing Sculptures will be a breeze. (I may flip the springs for a tad more ground clearance.)
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:32 PM   #452
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Re: The Millicent Chronicles; two foot roof raise, big tailgate

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Then the issue of screws. This is one of those a-lesson-for- you-all things. I keep finding screws on the floor of Millicent. Rarely the screws that the factory installed two decades ago, but screws that I have installed myself quite recently. They are falling right back out. I theorize that the factory has the skill to use the right screws in the right materials with the right size pilot holes and with the right fastening torque. And they do use a lot of sticky goop in the seams. I just grab something that sort'a fits and crank it in place. Bad idea. The vibration of a running vehicle will shake the darnest things loose. Might be an idea to borrow a trick from wood workers and use glue on everything. Even pop rivets could be dipped in glue immediately prior to installation. Maybe Gorilla Glue, which expands while setting up?
One word: Red Loctite.

Oh, wait, that's two, isn't it? Anyhow, this stuff is the toughest stuff I've ever dealt with for threads. Putting carbide studs into snowmobile tracks, you use the red stuff on the threads and the studs will never unscrew - if they come out it's because they've pulled the big 'fender washer' nuts right through the track itself.

Just make sure the screws you're putting in are fairly snug in the holes ...

(But now that you've brought this up, I know what I'll be getting next time I'm out ... ;) )
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Andrew, I have 15 feet and a few inches of cargo room in the rear of Millicent. That's just enough to roll "Henry Ford Goes Surfing" in there. If you build an Aggies style rear porch,... well, you'll just have to subtract the porch lenght from the interior space, won't you. (I don't think the Aggies rear porch is extended -- the overhang looks normal to my eyes.) Or am I missing something in your question?
I think I have the math part of it under control. I was looking for a visual reference. Now that I know you have 15 feet of cargo space I can go back and look at the pictures and see what 15 feet really looks like. You know as well as I do that drawings on paper to scale don't do justice to what the finished product will look like.

I was curious about the rear length because a guy could use that to haul a couple ATV's or sleds. If I were to do a porch setup like that the roof section would be cantilevered, possibly with removable pillars just for aesthetic purposes. I would then put a hideaway gooseneck or fifth wheel in the porch to tow a man-sized trailer with my wheeling rig on it. A regular hitch would allow towing something like a boat.

I like the idea of a skoolie as a toterhome. I like the idea of making that rear deck plate a little more eye pleasing and functional when the trailer is off even better. Hmm...screen porch for bug free free-air grilling and dining perhaps...
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:05 AM   #454
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Re: The Millicent Chronicles; two foot roof raise, big tailgate


Hmmm.... Well, that fellow may be able to spot Zeros diving out of the sun, but he may have trouble spotting Toyotas approaching from the right.

Andrew, I can take any angles of pictures you want in MIllicent and e-mail you. Just place your order.
Drawings can indeed be inadequate. I find a tape measure and my elbows (More elbow room!) useful. But I also find that "The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry" and things have to be reconfigured. A new bus for you? Make darn sure it is the full 40 feet long.

A fith wheel or goose neck ball on the porch... could be pretty cool. But are you going to pull that heavy a trailer? I have experienced the difference in ride quality between a fifth wheel and a bumper pull on the same pick-um-up-truck, but when I drive Millicent with my bumper pull trailers, I don't even notice the trailer is there.
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A fith wheel or goose neck ball on the porch... could be pretty cool. But are you going to pull that heavy a trailer? I have experienced the difference in ride quality between a fifth wheel and a bumper pull on the same pick-um-up-truck, but when I drive Millicent with my bumper pull trailers, I don't even notice the trailer is there.
In the bus I probably wouldn't notice any difference at all between a bumper pull and a goose or fiver, but by the time you spend the money on a GOOD receiver hitch, sway control, equalizer bars, even the ball mount and ball themselves you might as well have just bought a fifth wheel setup. You might be able to get away with not having the sway control, but the equalizer bars and such have as much to do with the hitch surviving as they do with unloading the rear axle and loading the front axle. More important is that most flatdecks of the proper size and weight capacity are setup as gooses. Plus I would want to have a goose versus a bumper pull trailer should I ever get a 1 ton truck to tow with besides. Like you said...you notice the difference on a pick-um-up-truck.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:12 AM   #456
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Re: The Millicent Chronicles; two foot roof raise, big tailgate

I'll never go back to a bumperpull trailer behind a pickup. I don,t see the need to install a goose hitch over the axle on something as stout as millicent, just 4 ft from the bumper should work nicely and still leave plenty of room for coachwork.


elliot do you or does anyone else have any experience pulling a european style trailer where they mount the fifthwheel down low behind the drive axle, what are the pros and cons? percieved and reality. I realize that hookup would be a pain in the a-- but would their be enough advantages to overcome that?
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Paul, I have no experience with such rigs. By the way, that arrangement is common in the US also -- on automobile transporters.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:42 PM   #458
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true, i was wondering if the long truck overhang, and long trailer tongue made a difference but the principal of the hitch behind the axle would be the same. thanks for the input
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Old 09-23-2008, 06:01 PM   #459
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Yeehah! Dem's sum serious awnings -- both the Holiday ones and your own design! Nice model!

And welcome aboard, Michael! And don't be shy -- I pipe up and put my foot in my mouth all the time and nobody seems to notice.

Rallying was THE major motorsport when I grew up in Norway. So you have no secrets from me.

Well I looked into my pipe dream a little more. Balloon Fabric still eludes me,so I went retail so to say and inquired with a local Awning company. I was kind of surprised to learn that Rip stop fabric in various Denier or thickness cost from $14.60 for the heavy stuff down to $8.10 light weight stuff per 3'x5' chunck. $40 per hour to sew it this way and that, Zippers and hook and loop $4.20 per foot. ( I intend to look into the Bill board route )
If I go 10' off the side and 20' long I need (230/15) x $12.50 = $200ish
He stated that the display model 4'x14' took 4 hours to stitch 4hr x $40 = $160
So if I guesstimate it out to 10 x 20 I am thinking 16 hrs x $40 = $640 there has to be some economy of scale.

$ 840 installed on my frame is going to be a hellava cheaper than I was mentally budgeting for this task.
When you get back onto Millisense's awning/shade project I will be interested to gather your input... having dust and sun be the primary enemy as opposed to the Snow and cold I need to hide from next month in Houghton MI

I have to admit I was immediatly turned off when he suggested a RV awning. I bit on my tongue until it bled and showed him my picture, he earned my respect when he immediatly stated oh! you want a real awning. We tried a RV awning on the last bus and it collected a quite a bit of water/snow mix and proceeded to drip it on our heads as we serviced the rally car ( was not wide enough), then promtly collapsed during the disassembly process.(We move alot in the course of the multi day event)

BTW. closed road racing or rally is a secret here in the US. As it turns out kinetic sculpture racing is kind of a secret thing here(midwest) as well. I would have thought Chicago would have a following.

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Thanks! Good to have a rough idea of what something like this would cost.

But the framework is probably going to be the most challenging. I suppose I ought to see some of the professional ones up close -- maybe what I have in mind has already been invented. But it will be a while, as I have plenty on my plate at the moment.
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