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Old 04-15-2009, 10:37 AM   #491
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The frame is all light gauge galvanized steel, assembled with bolts and screws. No "red iron". Siding and roofing is painted sheet steel.

I see that there is wood inside the core of the personnel door, and the window frames are plastic, but those are the only not-totally-fireproof components I have found.

The upstairs floor is going to be tricky to fireproof. Most people use plywood. I can buy plywood fully encapsulated in galvanized steel, but that's 200 bucks per sheet. (Horse stall panels). Corrugated steel with a thin layer of light-weight concrete is an other option. No hurry with this.

The building system is called OutBack -- originated in Australia. I bought it from these guys -- there are lots of pictures on the web site:

http://www.pacificsteelbuildings.com/

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Old 04-15-2009, 11:54 AM   #492
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1 layer of 5/8" firex drywall with the seams taped and mudded has a 1 hr burn thru rating. also there's fire resistant treated lumber and plywood available for commercial buildings.

I used conventional stick construction 2x6 @24" for my shop and then lined the inside with 5/8 drywall, I bought all the damaged sheets at home depot for $.30 on the dollar, all of the damaged sides disappeared on the first coat of mud and tape and most of the damaged corners were cut off of the trimed sheets. 2 coats of mud, primer and 2couts of semigloss white, then installed 6" treated baseboards 45% bevel on top and caulked top and bottom to prevent sparks and hots from getting inside the walls. electrical is surface mounted in conduit, quad recepticles every 8' @ 52" from the floor plus designated 20&50 amp boxes where needed for major power tools. lots of light, radiant heat in the cieling and 3 paddle fans.
yesiree, it's my super deluxe dream shop

the biggest thing that i didn't do was to get the floor sealed bfore stuff started to migrate inside, now it will be a major project to move everything for the cause.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:43 AM   #493
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Elliot i like it its neet to see steel building kits getin built.Paul your shop sounds great also.Shops rock they are the coolest places my 5 car has 6 and a half cars in it and my 'OFFICE"is full of crap always!But keep buildin them cause we need them FULL Timbuk
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:33 AM   #494
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Elliot;
we need an update on the shop project, it's been 2 weeks and if you,re working at your normal pace the shop is done, you're moved in and now have to cut the backyard
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Alas, my normal pace is actually quite slow. But there is progress -- most is in details that do not look impressive, such as cross bracing. And the big scissor lift has not been back yet. But the lift IS tentatively scheduled for next weekend, and we expect to get most of the framework up that weekend. Meanwhile, I'm assembling sections on the floor, so we can lift them up in one piece.



Three complete roof arches being assembled on the floor.
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:05 AM   #496
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looks like lots of good progress, I'm a big fan of prebuilding assemblies and then installing them when help and the right equipment is available to do the job safely. I also se the engineering "think" chair to sit and study the pieces and parts to determine the next manouver
make sure to straighten and brace the top of the walls before you brace and skin the roof, I got in a hurry and didn't follow my own advice I really hate rework.
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Indeed, a comfortable Thinking Chair is a vital tool in a shade-tree engineers kit!
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Barn is coming along in fits and starts. 99 % of the frame is up, and the siding on two walls. I'm very happy with the roll-up door; I mounted the tracks directly on the tall columns so the door runs straight up. That way it does not interfere with the overhead space, and I will be able to lift things upstairs thru the open first bay of the barn. The door is counterweighted so it moves easily. No springs.





Millicent has made several good trips lately. Last weekend was typical; the Wagners and I lived in Millicent from Thursday to Tuesday and traveled about 1200 miles. And of course, we hauled three Kinetic Racing Sculptures (two inside and one on the trailer).

Aside from the fact that there is still a ton of work to do, we are constantly reminded that we "could'a had a pusher". The heat and noise from the front engine is a serious nuisance. For anyone who does not need to have the tail of the bus open, I say get a pusher.

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Old 07-22-2009, 06:08 PM   #499
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the barn progress is looking good, have you done any research on noise reduction and heat insulation for millicentis engine compartment? Some of the marine soundproofing materials seem to work pretty good, their also products available that the street rod people use that apear to be effective.
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Yes, I have seen pictures of thick "slip covers" over the dog house in the factory WanderLodge versions of these buses. Should be possible to make something like that. And yes, I am familiar with Dynamat and similar insulation used in cars -- works very well.

There is something similar to Dynamat on the inside of the dog house already. In fact, I am impressed with how quiet Millicent IS. But the fact remains that the engine is right there, just inches away from us.

I keep toying with the idea of moving the engine to under the floor like in the old Crowns. Sure would like to ask a Cummins factory engineer if this is feasible from the oil drain-back point of view.
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