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Old 07-31-2016, 06:25 PM   #301
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!!! ...getting there!!

JUST ONE word of caution: BE very careful with penetration - ESPECIALLY with a small MIG unit like yours!!

DO a few test welds with 1/4" stuff and then cut it apart across the weld!1

Very easy to get good looking welds and near ZERO penetration....


You are on the way!!


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Old 07-31-2016, 06:35 PM   #302
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Thank you all again and again!

And now for something completely different...I'm heading into a divorce and need to officially valuate my partially disassembled, not yet rebuilt bus. I assume (there's that word!) it is worth zilch at this point or pretty close to it.


Does anyone know how I could get a value on it as-is? I'm going back to the dealership where I bought it but they may not know either.


ANY help is appreciated, thanks in advance!

Two things I can tell you about divorce...
1) the judge can do anything she wants to do as far as determining assets split.
2) when the gavel drops, and everyone is gathering up their papers... do not turn to your council and tell him "I want to know when she dies, so I can take a s*** on her tombstone" (barely escaped jail time for that one)
I know it was disrespectful, but when a judge gives your inheritance to the ex, emotions get involved.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:24 PM   #303
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!!! ...getting there!!

JUST ONE word of caution: BE very careful with penetration - ESPECIALLY with a small MIG unit like yours!!

DO a few test welds with 1/4" stuff and then cut it apart across the weld!1

Very easy to get good looking welds and near ZERO penetration....


You are on the way!!


Cheers,

thjakits

Thanks thjakits,

That is one huge question I have. I've cut welds before (ran out of time with this one) and all I've seen is a continuous cross cut of metal. I don't know how to tell where the stock metal ends and the weld begins. I'll cut this one open but I wish I knew how to positively identify penetration.

Suggestions?
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:30 PM   #304
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Two things I can tell you about divorce...
1) the judge can do anything she wants to do as far as determining assets split.
2) when the gavel drops, and everyone is gathering up their papers... do not turn to your council and tell him "I want to know when she dies, so I can take a s*** on her tombstone" (barely escaped jail time for that one)
I know it was disrespectful, but when a judge gives your inheritance to the ex, emotions get involved.

Oh wow, that SUCKS milkmania, holy s#$t! Of course I agree with you, who knows where this revolving door will stop! At least I have documentation from an objective, reputable 3rd party so that it doesn't appear that I'm trying to rip my wife off.
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:37 PM   #305
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Thanks thjakits,

That is one huge question I have. I've cut welds before (ran out of time with this one) and all I've seen is a continuous cross cut of metal. I don't know how to tell where the stock metal ends and the weld begins. I'll cut this one open but I wish I knew how to positively identify penetration.

Suggestions?
If you weld together 2 pieces you CERTAINLY will see the difference!
If you just lay practice welds on top of a piece of metal - it might become difficult to see, but I think you should be able to see where it was molten...

You normally do not just welds on top of metal (except for making a grippier surface) - welding, normally, implies 1 of 2 things: Join 2 pieces by welding (melting material on both sides + filling in with more molten material) OR re-fill or build up volume on or in a piece of metal (As in cutting out corroded material and build up clean material) Both things can kind of mix - like welding a big axle or shaft, where you need multiple passes to fill in all the material - start at the root from both sides and then put layers into the V-notch on both sides....

So - THE suggestion: Get 1/4" cuttings and weld them back together - cut across the weld a see/watch/observe/learn/analyze!


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Old 08-01-2016, 05:08 PM   #306
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And...I agree with thjakit. Do a few passes on separate pieces and try it on different thicknesses. My Miller 140 gets excellent penetration even on 3/8" steel and I have welded much heavier stuff with multiple passes. Keep your heat up and the puddle moving with small overlaps. You should see some red in the surrounding metal. Actually, the most common mistake I see (and have made) was moving too slowly. If your heat & wire speed are correct for the metal...you should be able to move fairly quickly.

And if you know a "real welder"...buy'em a six-pack. A twenty minute lesson will get you WAY ahead of the game.

And, oh yeah...have fun.
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And...I agree with thjakit. Do a few passes on separate pieces and try it on different thicknesses. My Miller 140 gets excellent penetration even on 3/8" steel and I have welded much heavier stuff with multiple passes. Keep your heat up and the puddle moving with small overlaps. You should see some red in the surrounding metal. Actually, the most common mistake I see (and have made) was moving too slowly. If your heat & wire speed are correct for the metal...you should be able to move fairly quickly.

And if you know a "real welder"...buy'em a six-pack. A twenty minute lesson will get you WAY ahead of the game.

And, oh yeah...have fun.
Funny- I've been tossing this roof raise idea around for a couple years.
I've offered every pro welder I know SEVERAL hundred dollars to show up and weld for a couple hours. NO luck at all. Apparently welders live in a parallel universe where our non-welder money is of no use to them.
thats been my luck anyhow.
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Old 08-01-2016, 06:25 PM   #309
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Good welders are generally very well compensated. Welding is not necessarily good for one's health. After to 8-10 hours a day of welding, I can imagine a good welder would rather be doing something else.

I think Tango's point was to ask a good welder for a 20 min. lesson. A far majority of the welding we do on skoolies is fairly basic, with light gauge metals. Few of us have $10,000 worth of a welding shop at our disposal. The rare occasion where we run into 1/4" steel can usually be overcome with our inexpensive gear. What most of us lack is the skill and/or experience. A little lesson can go a long way.

I'm a passable welder. My next door neighbor has been a master welder for 35 years. I volunteer helping him on personal projects where he needs extra hands. I've learned a lot from this. He'll even answer questions as we work. It also builds equity that I can use to borrow his Lincoln TIG 225 or ask for help, along with supplying the beer.
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