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Old 09-16-2010, 07:46 PM   #41
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Looks like some place I use to live. The good old day and good memories.
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:31 PM   #42
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thanks! but do any of ya'll have any ideas about my starting problem? i think it was the last post on page three. I have not tried to look into getting parts for it but can you normally just go to an international parts dealer or somewhere special if i did just need to replace the solenoid?
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:56 PM   #43
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Forgive my bi-focals, but it looks like an old-style Ford Solenoid. I'd say remove the batteries (unless you want curly hair with a tinge of smoke - ask me how I know .....) and then carefully remove the solenoid and go to any IH/Navistar dealer. It should be an off-the-shelf replacement. I have a similar one in Max available from AutoZone, O'Reilley's, and NAPA. I don't know what (if any) differences exist. But try the manufacturer/dealer first, then get part numbers and do some shopping (the ONLY kind of shopping I actually like [besides firearms]).
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:00 AM   #44
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yeah i'm hoping it is only that solenoid. The batteries died on me and so i had not started it for a while just cause i was building and didn't plan on moving it so just kept saying oh tomorrow i'll charge them and start it then this silly thing happened. and i really wanted to drive it this weekend, i have an event with the oxen all weekend long giving wagon rides at a fair and was really looking forward to having some comfort instead of sleeping in the truck or a tent. but again has anybody removed the child safety system before. I'm not going to be the guinea pig and dive into it but if somebody has messed with it i'll take some advice and i might do it.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:06 AM   #45
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My bus has gone thru a lot of batteries in seven years and the main reason seems to be setting for long periods dead. Even though it will usally take a charge and start back up they ( the batteries ) seem to go down hill fast from there causing mystery electrical problems. The battery should have 13 plus volts on the meter when you check it. After that the ground wire connection must be perfect, clean,metal to metal and no corrosion. Clicking is a symtom of low voltage.
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:18 AM   #46
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ok well i had a charger box hooked up to the batteries when i was trying to start it so that should have been fine. I have not tried bypassing the solenoid yet.... not only do i not understand all this electrical stuff but i just talked to the guy at international parts and he just laughed when i told him what the solenoid was connected to. he said once the buses are made they go to independent bus places to have all this safety and govoner speed control stuff put on so he could not tell me much about the system or the wiring for it. I mentioned trying to take it out or bypass it and he laughed again and said no telling what it was hooked up to and how many cans of worms i would open by removing it with out having a wiring diagram of the whole thing. and smitty what is mezcal..... i don't get it haha maybe i'm just slow
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:55 PM   #47
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well i need to catch ya'll up to speed on the bus anyways got tons of pictures to post but first I'm having a problem. SHE WON'T START! I narrowed it down to a solenoid that is in behind all the switches. It looks to me it is a solenoid for a child safety system that my bus has. Does anybody know how to remove this. I was just going to leave it because electrical stuff is not my thing and i did not want to cause a problem by removing it. but now it is making it not start so i'm confused. If ya'll are not familiar with it there is a button in the back of the bus near the door and the system is wired up to the flashing lights somehow so if you run the flashing lights the system thinks you have kids on the bus. so when you try to turn the bus off the horn starts blasting and beeping noises so before you turn the bus off you have to walk to the back and push the button making it so you can't leave kids on the bus. I have also removed the stop sign and the arm in the front that wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?
Well, one answer is "Don't tum on the flashers."

A solenoid is nothing more than a heavy-duty relay. A little electricity on the coil creates an electromagnet that connects the heavy-duty terminals. If the solenoid is a "permission" solenoid that regulates whether the starter motor solenoid has power, it can be bypassed. The easy way is to put both heavy wires onto one stud. However, if it is the actual starter solenoid, the starter motor will run forever, or for a few minutes until the fire, whichever comes first. The activation wire between the key and the actual starter solenoid may just go through the flasher switching to be controlled there.

To find out, park the bus in neutral with the parking brake set and/or the wheels chocked. Turn the key to the "run" position, but don't try to start it. Stick a heavy screwdriver or pliers handle across the two nuts seen above the middle finger knuckle in the photo. If the starter turns, it is a starter solenoid. If not, it isn't.

Most buses will have an accessory solenoid and possibly a run solenoid, so all the power to the heaters, wipers, radios, etc. don't have to go through the actual key switch. The key switch will just activate the solenoids to switch power the loads. In any event, the actual "brains" of the kiddie switch are probably in the flasher wiring, regardless of what the solenoid does. The solenoid is just the "brawn."

If you were close by, I would be willing to grab a meter and notepad to scope it out, but I suspect we are on opposite coasts. I usually only got into bus wiring panels only far enough to find a correct place to power the 2-way, but scoping out the whole system isn't too much harder once you learn how to test wiring.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:19 PM   #48
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Boy I was I had seen your post about the screen method you did before I did mine. i spent over $200 in screen material and frames and lots of man hours putting everything together.

Does the steel caps in between the windows hold the screen material in tight enough?
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:18 PM   #49
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well to fill ya'll in a bit on the progress. I have been living in the bus for about 5 months now and it is great. There are still lots of things being worked on but most of the important stuff is done. The kitchen is the main thing i'm working on now. I just got my refrigerator and stove and thats what i was waiting so i could make sure they would fit in the area that i build for counter and cabinets. up to this point i just have had an outdoor kitchen just a couple of wash tubs, and a propane camp stove. My brother was replacing windows in his house so i salvaged some screens so that i could leave windows open and not deal with bugs. I just took the yellow pieces of metal off between the windows and the screen had about a half inch or so that it could fit in then just stretched it as tight as i could and screwed metal back in place to hold screen

on my carpenter you can't take off the metal pieces like that.
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Old 09-20-2010, 05:42 PM   #50
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I have never been successful removing the pillar caps without having to grind a few. 3 different busses............all Thomas bodies.
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