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Old 01-08-2015, 09:43 AM   #21
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Broken leaf springs aren't uncommon. I've seen quite a few with em at the many auctions.
One of my rear air springs is on its way out. They have a lot of weight put on them in their lives.
I can definitely see this happening on big vehicles like this. I've never seen it in standard passenger vehicles. I've worked in a body shop most of my life. Even on some of the worst wrecks, with the frame twisted up like a pretzel, the leaf was still in tact.

I would imagine as heavy as busses are and the longevity of their work life on the road, the springs become work hardened and become brittle over time. My bus was also a rural route bus for much of it life. It drove many miles on unpaved roads.
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:03 PM   #22
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So was mine, sort of. The entire county in Ky where its from is very rural. The air ride is nice, but I can see it making leveling the rig in a hurry sort of a pain in the butt.
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I think you were really smart to go with all new/used parts rather than trying to get that old bearing off of the spindle. I think if you had gotten the old bearing off the spindle would have been in bad shape if not weakened due to the heat of the burnt bearing. I just hope you got an axle with the same weight rating or higher from the donor. Some of those short wheelbase buses had pretty light duty axles under them.

Broken leaf springs on buses are fairly common. More than one leaf tells me whomever was doing the PM on your bus didn't catch the first break before the second one broke.

It would also probably explain why you had a leaking wheel seal and a dried out bearing.

Air springs can take a beating and not be the worse for wear that would destroy a steel spring.

As far as leveling an air ride bus, when one is setting up camp you need to level the frame of the bus and not the suspension. You want to support the frame so that any jiggle from the suspension is eliminated.

If you are trying to level an air ride bus for going down the road it is fairly simple depending on how many ride height sensors you have. This is best done with help so you don't have to keep rolling in and out from under the bus to take measurements.
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I think you were really smart to go with all new/used parts rather than trying to get that old bearing off of the spindle. I think if you had gotten the old bearing off the spindle would have been in bad shape if not weakened due to the heat of the burnt bearing. I just hope you got an axle with the same weight rating or higher from the donor. Some of those short wheelbase buses had pretty light duty axles under them.

Broken leaf springs on buses are fairly common. More than one leaf tells me whomever was doing the PM on your bus didn't catch the first break before the second one broke.

It would also probably explain why you had a leaking wheel seal and a dried out bearing.

Air springs can take a beating and not be the worse for wear that would destroy a steel spring.

As far as leveling an air ride bus, when one is setting up camp you need to level the frame of the bus and not the suspension. You want to support the frame so that any jiggle from the suspension is eliminated.

If you are trying to level an air ride bus for going down the road it is fairly simple depending on how many ride height sensors you have. This is best done with help so you don't have to keep rolling in and out from under the bus to take measurements.
The little donor bus luckily had the same axle # and rating as my bus did. You're right about the maintenance.....seems some things weren't noticed on this bus. I also have a crack in the exhaust manifold that I need to get welded up. I have a friend that welds cast steel quite frequently....so It will definitely be cheaper than trying to buy a good used one.
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Old 01-08-2015, 09:04 PM   #25
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Spring of 2014 finally came around, so it was time to get to work. I started by jacking up the bus as high as I could so as to make things easier to work on. I used "good'ol hillbilly jackstands" to hold the bus in the air. These were hardwood tree trunks about 2 feet in diameter, they worked very well. While it was in the air I decided to pressure wash the undercarriage and the entire exterior. Things went really well and the whole front end was put back in place in a day and a half. I don't have many photos of putting back together, But it sure feels nice to have it running again!! 988856_10203113107902061_7135603639984186859_n by wesslewis, on Flickr
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And here's a couple of photos with it back on it's wheels right after the repairs!! This was a very happy day!! 10353131_10203327755308112_517468588135631662_n by wesslewis, on Flickr10377984_10203327755588119_8684364609227096343_n by wesslewis, on Flickr
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Ahhh...A BB with a Cummins. Nice combo! What tranny?
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Ahhh...A BB with a Cummins. Nice combo! What tranny?
It has the AT545 tranny in it.
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If you could find a 645 it would make a world of difference. The old 545's are pretty solid but another gear and lock-up put the 645 a world apart. But...just in case you are dead set on spending LOTS of money...the new gen 2200MH's from Allison are nothing short of awesome. Full lockup and six gears with double Overdrive. Very cool.
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If you could find a 645 it would make a world of difference. The old 545's are pretty solid but another gear and lock-up put the 645 a world apart. But...just in case you are dead set on spending LOTS of money...the new gen 2200MH's from Allison are nothing short of awesome. Full lockup and six gears with double Overdrive. Very cool.
Thank you for the info.....I'll definitely keep my eye out for the 645. That sounds more in my price range. the extra gear and lockup would definitely be a nice addition.
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