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Old 04-25-2015, 01:08 AM   #31
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I'm not sure about the single wall burning out either. I like to keep my fires at about 400 degrees, and I think at that temp, the pipe would last awhile. But that is a good point about the insullate dope being able to be shorter. How tall is yours taskswap?

Oh and it's not patronizing at all, I had to explain to justin how and why they fit together today too. I know I was confused when my dad taught me that awhile back. It is almost counterintuitive.

Taskswap, yours is 8 feet total?
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:07 PM   #32
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Take it from someone who spent three months in the burn ICU and who will spend the better part of the next two years in operating rooms and physical therapy after a flash fire in a bus conversion: Do not f*ck around with fire.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:18 PM   #33
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Yeah, Jack pine is crazy stuff. Any kind of pine burns like a torch. That makes sense now. I burn hemlock in the shoulder season and you really have to watch the stove. It's funny, with all the mis-information about softwood vs. hardwood, how people just assume that because it's pine it's not going to give off much heat!

Anyway, long story short, I was really trying to imply that you should treat fire with respect, but not undue fear. Once you're used to heating with wood, it's always on your mind - but like driving a car. You're careful. You pay attention. But your life doesn't have to revolve around it and you shouldn't surround your car with boat dock floats just to try to add some safety.

My 2c, such as it is: I'd keep the double-wall if you already have it. I wouldn't buy triple-wall. Definitely use rock-wool where necessary, but you can trust it and it'll be fine. Enjoy!
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:25 PM   #34
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The first few words of the wood stove hand book still ring in my ears.

"Remember, you are building a fire inside your home"

I forgot to add that last night. lol.Nat
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Old 04-25-2015, 08:20 PM   #35
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I got burnt when I was a kid. I used to have a huge fear of fire. To overcome my fear, I started dancing with fire poi. If anyone has the utmost respect for fire- it's me. Like I said, it's just hard to know what is "safe" with conflicting information.

I slept on it and were going to keep the pieces I got. Better safe than sorry. It's just one of those things that everyone has a different "opinion" about. With that kind of stuff, I suppose its better to err on the side of caution. Same with electricity.

As for today and the most recent update about the bus... We just got a bunch of free stuff from a really nice guy!
Here are some photos!
Black water tank:
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Grey water tank:
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Fresh? water tank:
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One of the hot water heaters (we pulled two):
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Odds and ends: We had to snag that 40 year old coors coozie :P SCORE! (Also got two water pumps, yeah!)
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Cushions:
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The two stoves we pulled. (I think we might stick with the orange one and paint it. It came from the RV that was most recently used and it seems like a better stove.)
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The guy was so nice, and we are so happy we scored all of this!
Onward, HO!!
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Old 04-25-2015, 09:37 PM   #36
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Old 04-25-2015, 11:07 PM   #37
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Take it from someone who spent three months in the burn ICU and who will spend the better part of the next two years in operating rooms and physical therapy after a flash fire in a bus conversion: Do not f*ck around with fire.
PD I read that using Bill Murrays' voice ;)

General Barnicke: Where the hell have you been, soldier?
Winger: Traaaaaaaining, sir!
Soldiers: Training, sir!
Barnicke: What kind of training, son?
Winger: Aaaaaaarmy training, sir!
Soldiers: Army training, sir!
[laughter]
Barnicke: Where's your drill sergeant, men?
Winger: Blown up, sir!
Soldiers: Blown up, sir!
Capt. Stillman: Uhh, yes, sir, these are Sgt. Hulka's men. He was injured during basic training.
Barnicke: I see. So am I to understand you men completed your training on your own?
Winger: Tha's the fact, Jack!
Soldiers: That's the fact, Jack!
Barnicke: Captain, these are exactly the kind of go-getters I want on my EM-50 project.
Stillman: But, sir . . .
Barnicke: Don't "But" me, Captain. I want them on the plane. Tonight!
Winger: Gentlemen, it's party time...Italian style!

It made me laugh....I am glad your okay....thanks for warning and smiles
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:49 PM   #38
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Well it's raining today.

I thought I got rid of all of the leaks. We just found water... Again.
Fortunately the insullation is easy to take out, and we didn't get too far on the wood. In fact, we took it all out to redo some insullation.

The bus didn't leak at all when it was parked at the previous owners house. We are thinking the moving of it has caused shifting of the panels, causing leakage.

I was bummed this morning, because we had so much planned for today. It's a good thing that it's raining, so we can address these new leaks. Plus, the ceiling is pretty much down, so we can find the leaks.

We haven't painted the top with reflective paint yet.

Does anyone have some good pointers for a good, sealing reflective paint? Or should we just caulk everything on the roof and then paint?

Anyone used or heard of this?
The review said he painted it on his RV roof.
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Old 04-27-2015, 12:51 PM   #39
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Nat,
We got a metal roof jack. I couldn't find a rubber boot jack made for a wood stove application(they only had hvac), where did you get yours? (Also, I just read your other thread, that's so cool that your whole shop can run off solar, very impressive!)

Also you say you put a baffle in your stove. We picked up an imitation Jotul Black Bear, which I believe has what you are talking about. It has two chambers essentially. This is what I found online as to the way the air moves in the chamber. I'm not familiar with this type of wood stove, but from what I have read, it is a great stove. I need to regasket/recaulk it because I took the whole thing apart to "inspect" it. The gasketting was crappy anyways.


Here's the picture of that air flow I was talking about:
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:56 PM   #40
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That's a good stove, if the baffling is in order. The way these stoves work, you start a primary with the damper in the front (primary air) wide open. You need to get it hot for like 20 minutes. Then you start damping it down. When you get it fully damped down the only air coming in comes through the secondary tubes at the top. If you had a glass door it would look like this:



This type of system is twice (or more) as efficient as non-secondary-burn stoves. What happens is the wood doesn't actually burn directly as fuel. Instead, the high heat above it literally "cooks" the wood forcing it to release combustible gases. Those combine with high-temp air coming in through the secondaries and you get an effect kind of like an upside-down propane grill.

A good secondary system will give very long burn times and use half as much (or better) wood as older-style stoves. All new stoves are manufactured this way because they can't meet EPA regs without it. A lot of people bitch about that but I gotta tell you, I WAY prefer feeding a few pieces of oak to my new insert with secondaries each day over the literal WHEELBARROW my old wood boiler (without secondaries) sucks up every 2-4 hours. All day.

That said, the Jotul is a very small stove and as I think Nat has mentioned earlier, small fireboxes produce short burn times no matter how efficient they are. I have this exact stove if yours is anything like this:



I use it in my garage and we keep it mainly because it looks nice. We thought about putting it in the bus - and may, temporarily, just to save a few bucks. But we definitely plan to upgrade ASAP to something better like a Gray Mini CT 12. One thing you don't notice about these little Jotuls is you have to split the wood a lot smaller. The rear of the firebox is only like 9" high under those secondary tubes, and it's really hard to stack more than a piece or two high...

Love the looks tho.
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