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Old 11-19-2009, 09:41 PM   #191
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Now that our bus is underway we are entertaining the idea of going to Burningman next fall, should be quite the experience...
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:51 PM   #192
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He also said as long as there wasn't any fluid on the ground (so far there isn't ) and the bus doesn't smoke (it does... horribly ), that it should be "pretty solid". What does a smokey engine indicate?
My (diesel) bus will smoke until it's up to operating temp. After that, no smoke unless starting from a dead stop, and even then it's just a puff.

Are you getting smoke all the time? If so, what color? Blue, black, and white are the choices and each has a different source.
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:49 AM   #193
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I would say that the guy is the Doorman. My reasons are his Hat and Shoes.

1) He's wearing Joggers. They are pretty comfy for standing around all day. Pimps who dress like that tend to wear WingTips (Black and Whites?) or the standard Dress Shoe (easy to shine and hide scuffs on).
2) His hat doesn't match his suit, and its not purple with that silly long feather. Either one would have made me say pimp.

Maybe he's a Zoot'er... wouldnt that require him to unbutton his shirt and get some gold necklaces? Or is that just Zoot'ng 70's Style?
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:24 AM   #194
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I can't decide if the gentleman in crimson is a pimp, or the doorman/spirit guide to an alternate universe.
I think it's a little of both, since the guy's burn name is "Lucifer".

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Are you getting smoke all the time? If so, what color? Blue, black, and white are the choices and each has a different source.
I couldn't see the smoke while driving, but my poor mother who followed me to the shop said it was grey... so I guess that would classify as "white". When the bus first starts, it smokes grey/white for the first minute or so, then settles down. But the fumes will definitely knock you over! NO ONE tailgates me while I'm driving down the road.
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:00 PM   #195
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I couldn't see the smoke while driving, but my poor mother who followed me to the shop said it was grey... so I guess that would classify as "white". When the bus first starts, it smokes grey/white for the first minute or so, then settles down. But the fumes will definitely knock you over! NO ONE tailgates me while I'm driving down the road.
Hmmm...if the grey/white smoke has a sweet/syrupy smell to it, it may be coolant-related. Which would be bad.

There is a period of time when the exhaust system is still cool while the engine is relatively warm, and the exhaust gases are cooled enough by the exhaust system so that the moisture in the exhaust gases turns to water droplets and it looks like smoke. This is obviously more noticeable in the winter months, and with 20' of exhaust system on a bus, it can take a while/several miles to bring the system up to temp.

If you are seeing grey/white smoke when the bus is fully warmed up, running at operating temp & cruising down the road, then there could be issues. But it will be interesting to see what the garage says.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:10 PM   #196
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FINALLY got a call from the truck center. They did a great job giving me a very comprehensive list of things that needed to be done to the bus. The things I'll definitely have done include getting a state inspection, adjusting the fuel injection pump timing, and fixing the break pressure differential switch. Beyond that... everything else will have to wait until I get this year's taxes back .

Reading their notes on the quote sheets, it appears the reason the bus is hard to start and is smoking was because:
1. fuel was being injected into the cylinders, so they recommened adjusting the fuel injection pump timing,
2. the glow plug controller needs to be replaced
3. the starter motor needs to be removed and the mouting bolt's treads chased and new bolts and locktight installed.

I'm not sure what all is involved in fixing the starter motor problem. They want $100+ to pull it out and put new bolts on . Is that difficult to do? I'm not sure where the starting motor is located. Anyone have a photo of one in their bus so I know what to look for? I don't mind paying for a difficult job, but don't want to be taken to the cleaners for something I can do myself.
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Old 11-30-2009, 06:01 PM   #197
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So does this mean BOB will be sticking around?
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:58 PM   #198
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So does this mean BOB will be sticking around?
Ya know... if you'd asked me that this afternoon when I got the invoice of work and the whopping price tag attached, I would have shouted a resounding NO FRACKIN' WAY!

However, after the initial shock wore off and I saw that almost exactly HALF of the cost was in labor, I am more likely to reconsider. All told, the bill came out to $3,800+ for repairs, which includes parts and labor. Granted, that is a complete list of repairs, not just work that needs to be done right this minute to make BOB road worthy. I can actually afford what needs to be done to get the bus running properly.

But in the long run it all comes down to pure economics. Is the initial cost of the bus, plus the $450 for the fuel pump, plus the $1,700 in parts, plus the additional $1,200 in tires (needed for any long distance driving), worth keeping the bus? Or, would it be more cost effective to cut my losses, count the $800 total (fuel injection pump + current repair bill) I need to pay to get it road worthy as my "lessons learned" and try to sell BOB with the hopes I'll at least recuperate my initial purchase price? I don't know. I've gone back and forth several times today with "Yes" and then "No" and then "Yes" again.

To look at it in a cold and calculating manner, the outlook doesn't look good for BOB sticking around.

Keep BOB and I'll end up spending $3,350 in material costs alone, plus have a continuous monthly bill for insurance and storage fees (which can add up to another $1,200 per year). And the 33k doesn't include any labor costs that I may have to pay for service Tommy & I can't manage ourselves.

Sell BOB and I'll have spent approximately $800 in repairs now, plus maybe lose another $500 if I can't get the original sale price out of him, but will save myself the $1,200 in insurance and storage.

Hmmm.

$4,500 to keep BOB, or $1,300 to sell BOB.

Pure economics say sell the bus. Stubborn pride says keep it and damn the bills.

If I wasn't so hard up for money right now, I'd tend to go with my pride and just keep living paycheck to paycheck. But since I'm on my own now and paying all the bills, I can't see spending money that would be better spent on groceries, heating bills and minor home improvement projects that might get a better price for the house.


Final Verdict - just arrived at while typing:
Once BOB's passed inspection, gotten tuned and had the repairs necessary to make him road worthy, he'll probably go on Craigslist, or e-bay.


I'll tackle this again once the house is sold and I've money in hand... PLUS have a sane head on my shoulders... and get precisely the bus I want, not just any bus that I grab in a moment of desperation.
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:55 PM   #199
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Well it will be sad to see BOB go, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Its better to put the money you saved from doing all the repairs, insurance, and storage into a type of bus you want as opposed to a type your not really happy with.
I ran into a similar situation last year, someone I knew was trying to get rid of a dog nose bus and offered it up to me for 500. it was probably worth at least 1500.00 so it was very tempting. but I declined because I knew I wouldn't be happy with a dog nose because I wanted a RE and prefer the look of the flat-nose buses better. So going on 14 months later I am still without a bus waiting patiently for the right RE at the right price to show up. maybe one of these days.

I wish you the best of luck on getting out, what you put into BOB. Hopefully he will find a nice home with a big yard where he will have room to run.
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:14 PM   #200
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Sad day...
Be sure to post the sale... I wish you were close I might give some free labor to help fix your BOB. I hope it all turns out ok or some majik money shows up, maybe some elves will come in the middle of the nigh... No that's only in book's and after you have had too much...
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