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Old 10-29-2017, 11:53 PM   #11
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Ok thanks for that info Twigg, really appreciate it. During the interim btw getting that info and now, I decided to go to Tampa, Fl about another bus I'd had my eye on that's being sold by BGA School Buses out of Hudson, Fl. They're original asking price was $8000 before it was cleaned up, $10000 after it was cleaned up. They're are having a clearance sale in October, $1000 off asking price. I went down to check it out. I've been in touch with the owner for awile now. They have another bus, same make and model but cheaper. This is where I hope someone can help me with this info. It's a 2003 Thomas flatnose 28' with wheelchair lift. It has 201,269 miles, it also has 11,300 idling hours on it. The engine is a 3126 Catepillar Diesel. I hope it gets some positive feedback on it and soon. I had an opportunity to test drive this thing on a secondary road (which I insisted on), Greg said I was doing ok until a car appeared in my rearview mirror. Things got a bit hairy after that. It made me realize there is no way I can transport the other bus from Md to Fl on my own. It'd be a different story if I was use to it.
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Old 10-30-2017, 12:01 AM   #12
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Ok thanks for that info Twigg, really appreciate it. During the interim btw getting that info and now, I decided to go to Tampa, Fl about another bus I'd had my eye on that's being sold by BGA School Buses out of Hudson, Fl. They're original asking price was $8000 before it was cleaned up, $10000 after it was cleaned up. They're are having a clearance sale in October, $1000 off asking price. I went down to check it out. I've been in touch with the owner for awile now. They have another bus, same make and model but cheaper. This is where I hope someone can help me with this info. It's a 2003 Thomas flatnose 28' with wheelchair lift. It has 201,269 miles, it also has 11,300 idling hours on it. The engine is a 3126 Catepillar Diesel. I hope it gets some positive feedback on it and soon. I had an opportunity to test drive this thing on a secondary road (which I insisted on), Greg said I was doing ok until a car appeared in my rearview mirror. Things got a bit hairy after that. It made me realize there is no way I can transport the other bus from Md to Fl on my own. It'd be a different story if I was use to it.
The 11300 hours is total hours with the engine running, not just idling.

It seems very expensive. That's not low-mileage for a school bus, and it's a lot of hours. Go look at similar buses from Midwest Transit. They are still dealer prices, but they are a lot more reasonable than that.

MD to FL is Interstate all the way. You should have no problems with a little practise.

Here is an 'o8 with much lower miles and a better engine.

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Old 10-30-2017, 12:12 AM   #13
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I'm sticking to anything that is 30' or under. Mainly I feel that anything bigger would be too much for a single person. My main criteria is a wheelchair lift that can be retrofitted for a motorcycle. Once whatever I decide on, will go into storage while I'm slowly working on it. The interstate might be a straight shot, but your talking to someone who's never driven anything longer than 10'. The only disadvantage with a flatnose is there's nothing to guide you into keeping the darn thing straight on the road. The only way I could keep that bus on the road was to keep looking at the driver's side mirror and using the lane marker to keep away from the edge of the road. I seriously need driving lessons. I can't do this on my own. I want the Md bus though. I forgot to mention, the Tampa bus they're asking $6000 for it. And they'll help me with the paperwork as well.
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Old 10-30-2017, 12:14 AM   #14
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I'm sticking to anything that is 30' or under. Mainly I feel that anything bigger would be too much for a single person. My main criteria is a wheelchair lift that can be retrofitted for a motorcycle. Once whatever I decide on, will go into storage while I'm slowly working on it. The interstate might be a straight shot, but your talking to someone who's never driven anything longer than 10'. The only disadvantage with a flatnose is there's nothing to guide you into keeping the darn thing straight on the road. The only way I could keep that bus on the road was to keep looking at the driver's side mirror and using the lane marker to keep away from the edge of the road. I seriously need driving lessons. I can't do this on my own. I want the Md bus though.
The driving position is simply a matter of practise.

The Transit style buses have a shorter wheelbase usually, making them much more manoeuvrable in tight spaces.

I know the bus I showed you was full length, it was just an example of much lower pricing. Florida dealers do not have the best of reputations when it comes to bus prices.
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Old 10-30-2017, 12:20 AM   #15
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Thank you, I appreciate the help. If I could afford it I'd fly myself and my little brother to Md, mainly he can drive something like that not me.
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Old 10-30-2017, 06:26 AM   #16
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The 11300 hours is total hours with the engine running, not just idling.

It seems very expensive. That's not low-mileage for a school bus, and it's a lot of hours. Go look at similar buses from Midwest Transit. They are still dealer prices, but they are a lot more reasonable than that.

MD to FL is Interstate all the way. You should have no problems with a little practise.

Here is an 'o8 with much lower miles and a better engine.

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I agree, except no 08 has a superior engine.
I'd not touch a tier 2 or 3 unless I were a master diesel tech with a lot of money to play with.
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Old 10-30-2017, 09:30 AM   #17
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the People at BGA are great people... but their busses are way over-priced.. I got a "decent" deal on my carpenter and its been a great bus.. but ive also done work to it as well.. both gregs and betty were great, the busses are well just busses.. they do some mechanical work to them as ive seen them doing itif one is broken, but you still dont always know what you are getting as they are old.. my bus incurred an air compressor failure halfway home (500 miles in).. it sounded fine, no signs of failure so i dont feel they knew it was an issue.. point being the busses are pricey but arent refurbed there..


if you like the convenience and ability to shop at a dealer vs taking chances on auctions.. then shop around online.. there are a lot of them... prices are higher than auctions but you have the convenience of driving different ones..

also think about driving your bus home.. if you are building an RV, you want ot be able to drive it.. getting your bus home is a great experience in learning how to drive it..

the first time I ever drove a school bus (back when I was still in high school).. we went out at night.. when there was no traffic except an occasional car here or there.. I learned a lot about how to tell where I was in the lane.. Adjusting the mirros.. not sure how many times we stopp for me to get the mirrors just right.. the yare more important than in a car and will help you greatly.. .. turning corners.. I played in a closed-up hills dept store lot.. using the parking lot stripes as a way to judge how to turn corners..

once I practiced back then and now, I feel more comfortable in a bus than I do in my car.. (probably why I drive mine nearly every day)..

as for dealers, one forum member here got a good deal at tampa bus market, don brown bus sales in New york seems to get some decent busses that arent all rusty and his selection is good. their inventory online sucks so you need to call up and talk to them.

as mentioned midwest transit has a huge selection of busses as well. think of buying your bus like buying a used car.. you can and Do haggle the price, a dealer may want to intimidate only because they feel what they are selling is "special".. however its a used bus, just like a used car..

if you look at busses from dealers at BGA or around them, Feola's repair shop is fantastic.. i have had some work donr on both busses when im in florida (I dont have my shop tools there to work on them myself).. they are good people. they would probably give you a decent deal to check a bus out for you that you are considering.

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Old 10-31-2017, 12:42 PM   #18
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Thank you Cadillackid for your reply. One reason why I'm hesitant to drive something I'm not familiar with, especially on the highway is because of my previous experience with learning to drive clutch while in Germany. My NCO decided to teach me on one of those WWII looking jeeps. I learned while on post and I got comfortable with it. Then he had me go out into the German economy. That's where I was introduced to the real feel of panic. Thank God he was patient. It definitely was not flat and every time I came to stop light which then turned green, it would stall. I was so panicky mainly because I thought I was conveniencing the people behind me. I did not drive stick again until I got back stateside and eventually bought a stick and retaught myself in isolated areas and thus became very comfortable with it. When I test drove the bus, I was doing ok because I thought the road would be empty. Then a car showed up behind me, and I had an immediate flashback to that time. It made it worse with the way the brake was setup so when I brake, it was with a definite jerk. After that happened twice, I had the other person take over and drove it back to the yard. I had spoken to my brother and he said he'd be willing to drive the bus to Pensacola, where it would be in storage until I finished with it. Somebody suggested that there are people who teaches a person how to drive rv's. To tell the truth, I have no confidence in myself. And I'm leaning toward the bus in Md mainly because my brother would be there(after I convinced him hopefully) and maybe I will try my luck and do some of the driving on the way back. Knock on wood there won't be any mishap.
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Old 10-31-2017, 07:10 PM   #19
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partly you have to think about how you would feel after driving your bus when its converted.. or would you never feel comfortable driving a bus and therefore is a full size bus the right thing for you? or would you feel better off in a van cutaway van?

if driving out of BGA, depending on which side of the street you were on, if on the side with their office trailer and the most busses, then turn right.. you are on 52.. thats a nice 4 lane highay to drive on.. tell greg not to take you in the neighborhood.. when I was there we went back to his house on narrow streets.. Ive driven busses before so no biggie.. but a 4 lane highway is the best place to drive.. dont worry about the cars behind you.. go at the speed you are most comfortable.. I dont worry so much about traffic behind me..

if you were driving air brakes, they are touchy because there is much less pedal travel.. with hydraulic brakes your foot moves a lot of distance up and down as you releae and apply the brakes..(cars have hydraulic brakes). with air brakes, the pedal feels hard and just a little press gives you quite a bit of brakes.. when the brakes are cold they are even more touchy for the first couple presses.. that you get used to.. that you need to press firmly but not expect a lot of pedal movement with air brakes..

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Old 11-01-2017, 12:50 AM   #20
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It may be a small condolence, but a great many 65 year old Grannies learn to drive school buses with ease. They are not that difficult.
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